Nothing casual about racism

Dame Susan Devoy.

The Race Relations Commissioner has spoken out to try to defuse the Mad Butcher racism row.

Dame Susan Devoy says many of us have said or done things that are hurtful to others without realising what we were saying is offensive.

'But that's not the end of the story. The important thing is being able to recognise when we've offended someone, to work to resolve it with mana and to make sure we never do it again.”

Waiheke local Lara Bridger posted a tearful video on Facebook claiming the Mad Butcher, Sir Peter Leitch, had told her Waiheke Island was 'a white man's island” and she shouldn't be there.

Sir Peter claimed some light hearted banter had been misinterpreted.

Bridger's video was viewed more than 100,000 times before being removed.

Today the Race Relations Commission was full of praise for Lara Bridger saying she was a 'very brave young woman” and that New Zealanders should be grateful to her for speaking up.

'The thing about so-called casual racism is that it doesn't feel very casual if it happens to you or your family, as Lara has shown us.”

'I know Sir Peter and while I believe he's a very good person at heart: that thing he did was offensive to Lara and it needs to be fixed.

'I am confident he will do this and it's great to hear the local iwi are able to help mediate as are our own commission mediators. It is pretty clear he had no idea how offensive his words were but he will definitely know this now.”

The Race Relations office launched an anti-racism campaign called 'That's Us” last year and more than one million New Zealanders have tuned in and listened to the stories of casual – and not so casual - racism from everyday people growing up in New Zealand.

'Shocking, funny and heart wrenching, but all of them very familiar,” says Dame Susan.

'Often the person saying the offensive or racist thing had no idea that what they were saying was racist or incredibly hurtful: and this is where we need to change.”

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46 comments

race

Posted on 05-01-2017 11:19 | By dumbkof2

this country is getting so thin skinned on everything now you wont be able to say anything before someone says its racial. if i say its going to rain someone will say its racial


Strikes me

Posted on 05-01-2017 11:36 | By nerak

this is yet another instance of something being blown well out of proportion. Peter Leitch must by now be very distressed, the young lady has had her 15 minutes of fame. Such a pity Susan Devoy has put her tuppence worth in, twice so far, it appears she has foot and mouth disease yet again.


@dumbkof2

Posted on 05-01-2017 11:38 | By manbearpig

How dare you suggest it's going to rain.You are a racist sir


It's really sad....

Posted on 05-01-2017 12:04 | By groutby

that it seems impossible to have any sort of conversation with many nowadays to have some, most recently "Ms" Bridger blubber to the camera and bemoan the comments made clearly in jest and goodwill by Sir Peter Leach. If he is gracious enough to wish to share his time with others at their request, then they must expect his manner to come with him. "Ms Bridger, if you want attention, receive it and then decide you don't want it after all, don't attract it in the first place! Sadly gone are the days for most it seems to have the ability to laugh at oneself, skin is getting way thinner by the minute, and social media is so cool..unless you look and sound like a total birk. Well "Ms Bridger, you succeeded at that. Sir Peter, please do not change, your country loves you just as you are..


Pogroms

Posted on 05-01-2017 12:22 | By Dirk Dougherty

In the middle ages there were pogroms against people with different backgrounds, Today we have pogroms against people who say something politically incorrect. Shows how far we've come.


@ dumbkof2

Posted on 05-01-2017 12:55 | By Crash test dummies

So true those words, it is ironic that for example that not so many years ago the N word for Africans was acceptable, that Billy T could slag off any and all and that was all just fine.Has the world become that silly already?


Dear Susan

Posted on 05-01-2017 12:57 | By Crash test dummies

perhaps you could recall for us all some of your favourite words from the squash courts? There were some really classic ones, common, lets be all PC about your behavior then to.


How sad for sissies

Posted on 05-01-2017 13:26 | By astex

When I came to NZ many years ago I found a happy country where many "racist" remarks were made in jest or light hearted banter and everyone laughed (no matter what their race) and no one was offended. Then the PC brigade came on the scene and years later we have people afraid to say or do anything in case they "offend" some poor sissy. Remember: "sticks and stones etc???


Racism

Posted on 05-01-2017 13:41 | By surfsup

Goes both ways but only gets reported when Maori take offence against something Pakeha have normally said, sadly when's it's the other way we never hear a single thing.


Think

Posted on 05-01-2017 14:29 | By Merlin

Think before you speak.Not always possible it just pops out sometimes.


What have we come to

Posted on 05-01-2017 14:31 | By shanksnz

Well NZ are we getting a bit sensitive about out banter . I am an import and if some called me a Scottish prick I would just be happy the remembered the Scottish bitLighten up guys we are all in a big mixing pot of cultures chill out and stop being so dramatic and PC


You can't be responsible for other people's happiness

Posted on 05-01-2017 14:56 | By Sprocket

It strikes me as odd that everyone is so ready to jump on a bandwagon with this - either saying that Peter was 'right' or 'wrong' when all we have to back it up is hearsay. The chances are you weren't there, so you are basing your opinion on someone else's account. Of course Lara Bridger is going to say she was offended, and of course Peter is going to say he didn't mean it like that. People like to cover their own butts. Things get said that aren't properly thought through - it's a fact of life. Holding grudges will get you nowhere, and people can't be held entirely responsible for how others react. If we're not careful NZ will become a country where everything is boiled down to colour and people are worried about having an opinion incase it offends someone.


Commissioner inept

Posted on 05-01-2017 15:40 | By Reefer

Racism exists every day when iwi and those claiming indigenous rights try to put themselves above and beyond the law of the land; and seeking to be treated with leniency over the rest. Racism is thriving in NZ and the commissioner is inept.


The usual bias,

Posted on 05-01-2017 16:04 | By R. Bell

both ways. Facts are, Sir Peter should not have presumed that a girl a third of his age would join him in "banter", particularly with a racial overtone. Equally the "girl" should not have spread it around without first asking him to clarify his meaning. Nothing P.C. about it, it's typical of those who choose flirt with other peoples differences and sensitivities, particularly those who do it from the safety of silly names. Robin Bell.


Good on you Miss Bridger

Posted on 05-01-2017 16:31 | By Colleen Spiro

You had the courage to stand up against white privledge. Mike King has described SIR Peter as being outrageous and boistrous, so it highly likely the comments were made by him, which were offensive and upsetting to someone, who was born on the Island. You now have been bullied and disbelieved by many in our society, because of who this man of priviledge thinks he is....I would not call him SIR.


As Billy Connelly once said.....

Posted on 05-01-2017 17:08 | By Dazed and Confused

Political correctness is the Language of Cowards.


Yes! dazed and confused,

Posted on 05-01-2017 18:13 | By R. Bell

so are pseudonyms. Robin Bell.


In answer...

Posted on 05-01-2017 18:56 | By groutby

Colleen Spiro, I cannot think where you get your information from, however it is possibly more accurate than mine, but as stated by "Ms" Bridger, is of Tanga Te Whenua...that is (Peter will correct me if I am wrong and please do so) ..."people of the land"...NOT necessarily exactly where they were drinking on that day!..as we ALL are..(no, not just a special few)...also to suggest that comments from Mike King with the issues with which he is continuing to battle with is just plain nutty!...Mike has been a very good local comedian but personally would not hold his comments up as an example...have you been to one of his live shows???..best not I suggest. I suggest you would call no-one "Sir" or "Lady" upon appointment as such, as you have no regard for such "white" titles...there..that's racist I guess!


@. manbearpig

Posted on 05-01-2017 20:58 | By dumbkof2

please accept my most humble apologies for even thinking its going to rain. dont know what came over me.


Intentions matter.

Posted on 06-01-2017 01:22 | By morepork

If you say something intended to wound (racist or not) you should be prepared to take responsibility for it and either withdraw it or stand by it. If you do or say something (with no malicious intent) that someone else found offensive, then a simple (genuine) apology should cover it. Different people have different levels of sensitivity and we need to recognize that, but, by the same token there is no point in being "precious" about a comment where no malice was behind it. Sir Peter Leitch has done a tremendous amount of good for the community and he should not be pilloried for a lapse, in response to a comment from the lady concerned, that was, at best "unnecessary" and at worst, "provocative". Pushing our differences at each other is not a good way for Kiwis to behave. Get over it.


@Robin Bell

Posted on 06-01-2017 01:27 | By morepork

Congratulations, Robin. This is the most sensible and balanced post I have ever seen you make. I agree 100%.


Too Sensitve

Posted on 06-01-2017 08:06 | By Rachel Gasston

"Offence is always taken, never given. "There are always 2 ways to approach something that is said, either we choose to take offence, OR we choose not to take offence. Sadly in our such overly PC world we live in, there are some who will ALWAYS seem to take offence - some who will ALWAYS choose to like making themselves a victim. These individuals are normally in need of attention, and dont realise that they themselves are equally capable of saying something silly at some stage in their lives. Others will always apply the other rule, and choose not to take offence, therefore never making themselves a victim, and getting on with life happily. These individuals normally are happy in themselves, don't need extra attention, and know that they themselves have,or will, say something silly in their lifetime at some stage. No human being is perfect.


You must understand morepork,

Posted on 06-01-2017 08:32 | By R. Bell

my comments are usually made in response to blatant racism or uninformed,deliberate or biased comment from others. Feel welcome to question my intent, at any time. You will find no political or social mischief motivates me and dare I say Peter. Unlike many who use these columns for just that. Robin Bell.


@groutboy

Posted on 06-01-2017 08:54 | By Colleen Spiro

I suggest you do some more research on everyone who has become involved including Mike King, who has contributed greatly to society. I call people Sir and Madam all the time in my voluntary job.because they deserve respect.... But....What makes me very sad, is that we tell our children, there will be no consequences to them, if they tell the truth, to speak up, if they are being harmed, bullied etc. I believe this young lady, and yet this poor girl is being bullied shockingly all over the country, because everyone thinks The Mad Butcher is a NICE guy.......We have had a few situations of Pony tail pulling etc, all proved to be true....what is different about this? hmmmmm I think I know.....


@dumbkof2

Posted on 06-01-2017 10:14 | By manbearpig

Too late for apologies. I will now make a video and cry about it


manbearpig,

Posted on 06-01-2017 11:04 | By R. Bell

we don,t need anymore videos on how stupid people can be, we have heaps already..Thanks anyway. Robin Bell.


Susan Devoy's comment is outstanding

Posted on 06-01-2017 12:14 | By Peter Dey

Many writers here seem to have missed the point made by Susan Devoy. She said that Peter Leitch was a very good person, but that what he said was racially offensive even though it was not intended to be offensive. She suggested that people who are not racist can make racist comments unintentionally. People who receive racist comments are much more aware of the racism. Susan Devoy simply pointed out that if somebody is not racist but they make a casual racist comment, then if they are genuinely not racist they will apologise and not repeat the offense. Comments may be casual but racism is not.


Usual

Posted on 10-01-2017 10:43 | By Crash test dummies

"Victims" have appeared hear also, no surprise with the usual wayward commentaries, the usual rhetoric ... no facts, never was!


Peter

Posted on 10-01-2017 21:51 | By Crash test dummies

The comment is outstanding ... yes it is the trail of comments is very much amazing. The stories fall into two categories: the Truth and myths. The myths are acknowledged as all made up and can not be replied upon, we have that recorded already.


Susan Devoy

Posted on 10-01-2017 21:54 | By Crash test dummies

It would indeed be very hard to sustain the argument that the opinion of Susan Devoy is being expressed here, the reality of it is she is merely a puppet for the left wing PC brigade and so is part of the problem, not part of the answer here.


What Susan Devoy said is her own view

Posted on 11-01-2017 09:16 | By Peter Dey

Crash test dummies is fantasising when he claims that Susan Devoy is not expressing her own opinion. She is Race Relations Commissioner because she is honest and speaks her mind, but does it carefully. Her point is still valid. People who are not racist can unintentionally make a racist comment, and then apologise when this is pointed out to them. This is what happened with Peter Leitch. Susan Devoy also made it clear that if we want good race relations then casual racist comments should be objected to, just like we now teach children to object to bullying.


@ Peter

Posted on 11-01-2017 10:34 | By Crash test dummies

If Peter Letich did not intend it as a "racist" comment then that means it's not, because that was not his intention. However it appears the wee-lass has heard something else (read into it what she wanted to hear) and there's no accommodating that. The reaction from her is the absurdity, all she has done is degrade all that she believes and has faith in. I can understand why she got upset, all that learned, all that taught to her to believe is right, she's hit the wall publically, found a public response/backlash that she doesn't like. She has a lot of soul searching to do as there is a huge and massive gap of her programmed desired beliefs and reality. She has a large gap to bridge. You are no different but at least she has realised the problem exists, that is a good start for her.


Both parties are victims

Posted on 11-01-2017 11:33 | By R. Bell

Sir Peter,who thinks he can say such provocative things and the 23 yr old who still believed racism was not part of her world. Sir Peter is a victim of his upbringing when such talk was common place. The young lady a victim of the "hidden racism" some people still believe is acceptable. Dame Susan does very well in her arbitration, thankless as it is. Robin Bell.


It is what is in a comment that makes it racist

Posted on 11-01-2017 12:46 | By Peter Dey

It should be obvious to Crash test dummies, but apparently is not, that the words of a comment are what makes it racist, not the person speaking the words. That is where all these Pakeha writers here fall down. They want to get away with making racist comments by claiming that these comments are not intended to be racist. They are talking nonsense. Susan Devoy complimented Lara Bridger for her objection to Peter Leitch's comment, and he apologised. He accepted that he had been offensive. Why does Crash test dummies still think that Peter Leitch was not offensive when Peter Leitch himself accepts that he was?


Racist comments,

Posted on 11-01-2017 14:18 | By R. Bell

are the pre cursor to racist actions. Crash test dummies takes the position he does simply because he believes he represents a majority. He too is a victim, a victim of self delusion, common amongst those who still think themselves capable of overturning the obvious trend toward a more caring world, in which the status of minorities is recognised and acted upon. Robin Bell.


Has YOGI BEAR returned?

Posted on 11-01-2017 14:45 | By Peter Dey

Crash test dummies has a meandering incoherent style that we have seen before. Is it the return of YOGI BEAR under another name?


You've got it Pete,

Posted on 11-01-2017 19:16 | By R. Bell

One of many. Cheers, Robin.


Thankfully this issue

Posted on 12-01-2017 10:09 | By R. Bell

is probably resolved by now. With the professional assistance of Susan and her team, and the caring input of the Iwi involved. No doubt those who exploit these lapses for "political" reasons will be disappointed but we all know they are a rank minority. Most people will see it for what it is. Thoughtless but not malicious. Robin Bell.


Robin, there is only one victim

Posted on 12-01-2017 12:14 | By Crash test dummies

It is all in her head, no where else, she has dreamed it at best. The public reaction speaks volumes about how it is, you are far off the mark here again I regret to confirm for you.


Oh dea, Im a victim of self delusion?

Posted on 12-01-2017 12:20 | By Crash test dummies

So he majority of NZ, some 90%+, most with the fortitude to figure out that the only racism in NZ is created and propagated by a small minority that is singularly about self gratification from the majority. Your attitude and response is totally predicable and falls well within the programming desired for you. The challenge is all about when you decide (if ever) to come into the light and so see the truth.


Yogi Bear?

Posted on 12-01-2017 12:26 | By Crash test dummies

Is a cartoon character, hence your link to your stories, they are all from the imagination and nothing real, the parallel is airily close with your desired stories here. The comparison is very helpful in placing your stories in there correct context.


Crash test dummies and YOGI BEAR

Posted on 12-01-2017 14:04 | By Peter Dey

We are now doing a YOGI BEAR with Crash test dummies, trading insults, and writing incoherent nonsense, Go to it Crash test. See if you can contribute something sensible about the original topic.


Who was it who said,

Posted on 12-01-2017 16:34 | By R. Bell

" methinks you protest too much"? could have been "Willy Shakespeare" whoever it was anticipated crash test dummie or whatever he calls himself now. So you now speak for 90%+ no doubt all, like you bemoaning the "irony" of not being able to use the "N" word to describe people of colour.5-1 in this thread. I think not, maybe 90% of 1% would be more like it. Of course c.t.d. if you wish to put up the evidence, nah! not a chance. Yogi never does. Robin Bell.


YOGI BEAR recital

Posted on 18-01-2017 15:40 | By Crash test dummies

It is not I that raised the subject of YB, it is not I that have drifted miles off course then blamed others, sadly that to is the path here and only, again, confirms the mythical nature of it all.


@ Robbin

Posted on 18-01-2017 15:45 | By Crash test dummies

Oh dear, for those that want to see, for those who need to see, selective vision, rose tinted glasses and when that fails to work then mockery, denial are the classic fall back positions to take. never fails to amuse me how cunningly (by completely ignoring the facts) that some manage to wander from a factual start point to some distance mystical place and there is nothing between to do so, to justify anything EVER. A simple example is Moriori, they are indigenous to NZ.


Meandering- Incoherent,

Posted on 19-01-2017 08:53 | By R. Bell

sums up your comments c.t.d. what in yogi's name, have Moriori got to do with the mad butcher and his latest indiscretion? Robin Bell.


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