Concerns arise over museum site

Cliff Road is to be given proper consideration for the museum site. Photo: Supplied.

Councillors are raising concerns of about the need to hire architects for the proposed city museum development this week.

City Transformation Committee chairman Larry Baldock is concerned about the staff request to hire architects even before a museum site has been chosen.

“We can't see why when we are doing all this work at Cliff Road to investigate the potential for a museum there, why we would start having architects involved, and concepts for the other options which at this point are not certainties,” says Larry.

“We want to see the results of the investigation for Cliff Road first, so we get the options narrowed down a bit further before we start spending money on architects.”

There are two museum options at present; either as part of the Willow Street precinct possibly in association with the new library, or as a stand-alone building at Cliff Road.

Larry says while there is some support for a Willow street museum from the recent workshops, the stronger public support is for a Cliff Road museum.

CEO Garry Poole says there is also strong tangata whenua support for the Cliff road site, and councillors need to be sensitive about how they describe Willow Street in light of that strong preference for Cliff road.

“The answer you need from us is are the options viable? And it seems to me the answer you want from us is, it is up to us to work out what kind of team we need to answer those questions, as opposed to us sitting here trying to develop the components of the team.”

Strategic planner Adele Hadfield says the council has to continue to gather information against all of the options so that when they come to the decision point, they have enough information on each option that clearly tells them across each of the criteria how the different options rank individually and with each other.

“If you stop working on one, you can't then assess it against another to rank your preference,” says Adele. 

Cliff Road's viability as a site is being assessed not just how site issues may be solved architecturally, but also economically. There is a whole set of criteria staff will bring evidence back on to get to that preferred option. They need equal evidence against each of the three options.

“If you pause work on one now, it's trying to asses one that's been fully developed against something that's been half developed,” says Adele.

If the council doesn't treat the assessment of each site equally and have a record of how the decision making process is followed the council will may then be denied access to government funding for the museum from the Ministry of Culture and Heritage, says project investment planner Carole Canler.

Information to enable to committee to make a decision about whether the museum will be free entry or user pays will be made next month.

“This process just drives me nuts,” says Larry.

“The government requires us to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on these business cases, thinking it is going to resolve all the questions. And actually the more you get into it the more you find there are still going to be options at the end where we will make decisions based upon hopefully what the community has asked us to do.

“I am sure that a business case on a combined library/museum in Willow Street will actually stack up, but that's not the only criteria we will use to make our decision. We have already had a very clear signal from tangata whenua and from people who participated in the consultation about Cliff Road.

“I personally want to see that investigated fully, and I can't see why those are not sufficient options for us to complete our requirements for business cases.

“I will support the motion so we continue to move on.”

The options will be explored by an architect and a strategic case prepared. With the economic and business case information the committee is expected to be able to select a preferred way forward for inclusion in the 2018-28 long Term Plan.



72 Comments

@ Peppa-sneeze

Posted on 30-09-2017 10:48 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "dislike Auckland. Wellington is a nice place", then go to Wellington, take all the over-rated crap with you, job done, poblem solved over-rover.

@ poppo-critter

Posted on 29-09-2017 13:18 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Mars, Venus, whatever and whereever indeed recognises my natural talent and bilaities, appreciated.

@Misadventure

Posted on 28-09-2017 12:55 | By Papamoaner

That's good to hear. I hope you enjoy good weather on Mars

@ Poppa-matic

Posted on 27-09-2017 16:41 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Well actually I spend most of my time "else-where" so my vision, insight and worldly awareness is considerably more that you may expect and in fact vastly more than the average Tar-wronge-in, obv uiously including your generous to a fault self, especuially when it come to Whiskey self help.

@MissedoutonLife

Posted on 24-09-2017 15:17 | By Papamoaner

Thanks anyway but I dislike Auckland. Wellington is a nice place. Doesn't sound like you've been to either. In fact it doesn't sound like you've ever been outside your front gate. Most of us think Garry does a good job.

@ Pappa-letta

Posted on 21-09-2017 19:00 | By MISS ADVENTURE

So when are you going to move all that surplus "stuff" up to Auckland or maybe Wellington (dont forget to take Garry, one-way ticket back from whence he came to) maybe even both. Good lock!

@ pappaetoric

Posted on 20-09-2017 18:58 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Yes agree that I have a "lack of vision" ... to be able to look at things in a Opaque fashion, sadly I seemt o be able to look right through it and cut all that lala pop crap out of the way as if it did not even exist. In end result that is very disconserting for many as they just can not even envisage where I am nor why. So, yes I understand your predictament.

@ pappaetist - satellite philosophy?

Posted on 20-09-2017 18:54 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Yes that is a great idea, how about you do that, I suggest the simple answer and most effective solution is to name Tapapa and Auckland Museums as the Tauranga "Satellite" establishments then move all the crap in Tauranga to those locations. For the locals to get there you can drive the bus up there for $10 bucks a head and indulge yourself there and back. The likely result will be a trip perhaps a single once each 2-3 months that would cater for the numbers and interest generated as a result, likely will only need a 5-10 seater.

@ pappaeta radio frequency off line?

Posted on 20-09-2017 18:11 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Sadly the AU idea of splitting up the radio station from the point of education has nothign to do with anything Museum function, reality, finances, locations or otherwise. I suugest that if the money-trees start shaking over this so much and sooooo well to the point of meteroric windfall (Lotto-like) as you are attempting to portray then I suggest you buy the land, build it and run it all by yourself. Then without doubt I would support you having one or two or ten, whatever.

@Misty

Posted on 20-09-2017 10:47 | By Papamoaner

Of course there will be a main museum site, but satellite sites make good sense because it's simply not practical to try to compress it all into one building. For example, the Auckland university physics dept is in the CBD, but the radio physics observatory of the physics dept is away out at Ardmore. You can't do it any other way. For example, at very low frequencies, (VLF) the aerials are hundreds of metres long. A good interactive museum with educational displays will have similar issues. The other good thing about the satellite philosophy is that it caters for future expansion and diversity. This museum deserves your support Missy. Once it's up and running, money will start falling out of trees for projects, especially those run by our kids. Get those fingerless knitted gloves off Ebenezer, and start thinking laterally.

@Misty Haze

Posted on 20-09-2017 08:41 | By Papamoaner

You nailed it on legal/illegal. At least you can get some things right sometimes, but your main problem is lack of vision.

@ Poppaeta

Posted on 19-09-2017 19:02 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "Museum as being at 2 or 3 sites" WOW have you completely lost it mate? That Whiskey has really taken its toll, a few to many plugs been kicked for touch for sure. Please excuse me, if you mean the three sites are: - Historic Village as recommended by many below, Maleme Street and Hamptons Down and that emans the Mount building only for a temporary overlap untill empty would solve many a problem for ratepaters, it would give true and clear due respect to what is in the shed for all time at the appropriate level. The best part is that 2 of the 3 sites would be free entry isnt that marvelous ... I believe that was the dream of the dreamers anyway. gee they could even put flowers there to at each visit, the bonus of that is not having to move them twicetocleanup.

@ Pappeta - Whiskey

Posted on 19-09-2017 18:55 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Whiskey is some rather bad side effects for sure, many blokes like it cos of peer pressure and so think somehow they ca be more manly for it somehow. The evidence speaks otherwise. In fact hard to see the differnce between Whiskey and drugs anyway, the only obvious differnces are powder/liquid and illegal/legal. After that its all bad.

@Missy

Posted on 19-09-2017 09:28 | By Papamoaner

I don't do drugs old chap. never have. Whisky? Now you're talking! I even drank it in Japan - Suntory! Museums can be like universities. Varsity in the old days was spread all over the place - some departments in old houses. I would envisage Tauranga Museum as being at 2 or 3 sites. You need an elevated site for astronomy above the noise (spurious light) and a sea-level site for marine so you can access seawater. And a solid rock basement for seismology would be good. I could go on all day, but you would fall asleep. You are half a sleep 24/7 anyway, so it's a dangerous situation. I wouldn't want to push you over the edge.

@ Peppeta

Posted on 18-09-2017 23:35 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "Needn't all be at one site"? I could agree indeed if it was the Hostoric Village and what doesnt fit in an existing building (one) would then be best stored at Maleme Street. Plenty of spare space there. So we have agreement pappa-sock-in it and Bella-addicted

@ Peppta

Posted on 18-09-2017 18:31 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Looks like it was a hard weekend mate? Does your weed and whiskey stockpile need a top up?

@Meybelle

Posted on 18-09-2017 10:02 | By Papamoaner

Needn't all be at one site anyway

@Miss village idiot

Posted on 18-09-2017 09:04 | By Papamoaner

Correct!

Obviously...

Posted on 18-09-2017 07:49 | By maybelle

If the museum is to go ahead I totally agree with you Shaun. The Historic Village would be perfect ,and would live up to its name. It could be a thriving hub with plenty of parking, a place where hospital goers can go within walking distance, markets, shows, enactments, trainrides, etc etc, I believe this could really work...., and it exists already.....

@ Peppta

Posted on 17-09-2017 16:15 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "lying cheating poms" I presume you are referring to the sovereign of NZ at the time, as agreed and signed off my part Maori on behalf of all tribes in 1840? Hint: she has never been to New Zleand, you have an issue then go see her ... oh well her decendants that are still in that seat.

@ Pappa

Posted on 16-09-2017 11:09 | By MISS ADVENTURE

I said "Sweetheart deal" actually hat shoul d be "Sweetheart deals".

@Missed Venture

Posted on 15-09-2017 08:33 | By Papamoaner

What on earth is this "Sweetheart deal part maori have had" ? Are you referring to a bunch of lying cheating poms off sailing ships many decades ago? Or are you referring to more recent negotiations?You really are full of rambling and disjointed arguments old chap.

@Meybelle

Posted on 15-09-2017 08:24 | By Papamoaner

"Unwanted" museum? I'd be interested to know how you measured that, or at least how you assessed that it is "unwanted" I think you might be flogging a dead horse - it's going to happen, sooner or later. Preferably sooner.

More money wasted by TCC

Posted on 14-09-2017 18:54 | By maybelle

Hiring an architect already?, surely TCC needs to decide on a site for this unwanted museum first, rather than wasting thousands(?) to help them make an informed? decision? about where they might put it

Terracotta comments from missy.

Posted on 14-09-2017 08:02 | By R. Bell

Fragile, hollow, and buried in bull****. The only purpose is to say something, anything, in order to portray a position of importance. Anything to oppose the common sense of museum supporters. "Bella is beauty". Robin Bell.

@ Poppa-weaner

Posted on 13-09-2017 17:29 | By MISS ADVENTURE

I suggest you start with Emperor Chen, the first for all of China. have a read of how he achieved that. Once you are somewhat enlightened there move on to teh full detail of exactly what he did to all teh other provinces to drag them into line and so under his command. Compare that the the sweet heart deal part maori have had. To hear your mind explode all over your mate Bella would be something to see. When you say all to sort him out I know that only then have you understood.

@Missy

Posted on 13-09-2017 13:22 | By Papamoaner

Are you referring to the Simon Weisenthal "Museum Of Truth"?

Terracotta Soldiers?

Posted on 11-09-2017 17:14 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Now that is getting a little closer to the truth of it. have a closer look while you are there, learn a bit of what the actual truth is. A museum that includes the truth would be something worth thinking about having around the place, however the ollution would need to be cleaned up first.

@ bella

Posted on 11-09-2017 17:00 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "deliberate distortions of the past", I agree that you are not at all interested in the past until and as son as the re-write make over job is completed to re-write NZ history to align to your own desires, wish and most importantly myths of the past.

@RobinBell

Posted on 11-09-2017 14:51 | By Papamoaner

Unfortunately we are preaching to Terracotta Soldiers. It is patently obvious from many comments that the majority of naysayers don't actually know nor understand what a museum is. Nor want to.Their vision doesn't extend beyond the far side of the rates jar and never will. Thank heavens they are an insignificant minority of small thinkers that would fit inside a walnut shell in the general scheme of things.

The past revealed,by enlightened scholars,

Posted on 11-09-2017 10:23 | By R. Bell

will be celebrated in our new, modern museum. Those who wish to remain bogged down in the deliberate distortions of the past, will fail. Denial of injustice, is to foster injustice. To foster injustice, is a crime against humanity. We are better than that missy, even you. Robin Bell.

Back to the future, Papamoaner.

Posted on 11-09-2017 09:16 | By R. Bell

My reference to hope for our community, is hope for our future. In that context the present becomes the past. Of course we still have prejudice, even racism. We can never remove the very small minority ( who claim majority status) who distort efforts to remove racism, by claiming those efforts to be racist. Epitomised by missy currently, who for many years, using a variety of "names" has worked ( unsuccessfully) to undermine our efforts. Your reference to a Simon Weisenthall type enclave is a good one, and totally indicative of the challenges ahead. Robin Bell.

@Missadventure

Posted on 10-09-2017 19:05 | By Papamoaner

Regarding your question "where is this all going to end up" I have two answers. The first is that large tracts of land not owned by our indigenous people, will end up in foreign ownership by stealth. My second answer is that computers will eventually become fully intuitive, and when that happens they will proceed with rendering humans obsolete and redundant. leaving our current argument purely academic. Once that is achieved, computers will begin to render each other redundant. The sole survivor or it's remains will be proof to the next species that there "really is a god" Doubtless the majority of observers on here will say it's hair brained, and I am mad. But if you study Darwinian evolution, it is entirely logical. Time for another Rum.

@ Pappa - actually large correction needed - 100% u-turn?

Posted on 10-09-2017 13:56 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "not exclusively "of the past"" however the past is being re-written, many areas of Government are being polluted and railroaded into racist territory. The few get priviledges (race based) and the majority have the standard of living that they have worked so hard for eroded (aparthied) there is indeed reason to be concern about where this is all going to end up. Only the naive would think otherwise, except perhaps those on the gravy train created, but their views are hardly objective or realistic as a result.

Dear bella

Posted on 10-09-2017 13:51 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Looks like your dreams are buried iin the past, when you say "prejudices of the past" perhaps you should have a go at looking forward, consider the path now on, where it will lead us all to and the consequences of that. You have yet to assemble a bit of truth on a few polls so I guess that all will have to await a while.

Small correction Robin

Posted on 10-09-2017 09:29 | By Papamoaner

Those race-based prejudices you refer to are not exclusively "of the past" They are still alive and well today, but more discreetly applied. An English gentleman told me on these threads last week that my derogatory comments about early English pioneers was racist, thus displaying his ignorance of the difference between nationality and ethnicity. This illustrates the fact that some racists practice the prejudice automatically. The museum needs an enclave modeled along the lines of the Simon Weisenthall Truth Museum so that history is authentically recorded for display without sanitation (sic). We also need strong curators with integrity, to immunise museums against manipulation for biased propaganda purposes.

The great hope for any community,

Posted on 10-09-2017 08:11 | By R. Bell

is in its young people. Free from the race based prejudices of the past. Educated in the practice of peaceful co- existence. Lets not allow disillusioned old people, who have nothing better to do, halt the progress of our lovely city. In the poll taken by Larry Baldock 71% OF 18 TO 40YR olds voted for a museum. They want a better future, they NEED to be proud of who and what they are. A modern museum helps to provide exactly that, for themselves and their children. Robin Bell.

@Misadventure-load of old cobblers!

Posted on 09-09-2017 20:26 | By Papamoaner

What a load of rubbish. Only a Dork would consider that minor escarpment your (quote) "huge cloud" I've got serious doubts about you my boy!The 45 degree safe slope vector you refer to has a hypotenuse root 2 of the sides (about 1.4) so the museum need only be sited a distance back from the edge equivalent to the vertical height of that edge. (or are you smoking that wacky baccy again?) At least do a bit of homework before shooting your mouth off with Kim Jung Il's antiaircraft gun. But it's all academic anyway. In relation to cliff road, There are geotechnical reports in existence and available online if you know the meaning of the term "homework" one as recent as 2016 and easy to find. In a nutshell, your "cliff" is irrelevant.

@ Shaun Belcher

Posted on 09-09-2017 20:14 | By MISS ADVENTURE

That is compeltely obvious and the 100% best option, for that "obvious" reason TCC and its minions are not even looking at it at all.

Cliff based hill side?

Posted on 09-09-2017 19:57 | By MISS ADVENTURE

The best for the site is to retain the car parking as the supply is seriously depleted below in the CBD, add to that the plans to eliminate hundreds more parking spaces in the next year or two, with various developments not providing any at all and of course meaning that the developed sites will eliminate all parks already there. Such is the wisdom of the City leaders these days, such short-sighted and limited scope for considering the consequences tomorrow upon all citizens.

Cliff Site

Posted on 09-09-2017 12:07 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Has a huge cloud hanging over it, the nature of it is a "Cliff" so that will require any structure to be well back from the edge, usually measured by a 45% angle from the base. But that depends on if it is solid or not underneath. Regarless a massive foundation would be required. All of this simply makes an over the top price substantitlaly worse. This idea and the location is huge on desire and dreamers wimps and lacking on reality, fact and realism.

@ Bop man

Posted on 09-09-2017 12:04 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Its simple, they want "new n shiny" things, they all do, TCC, library, Greerton, likely Baywave also, God, please save the Tauranga Ratepayers from this persecution!

There is a third option

Posted on 09-09-2017 11:23 | By Shaun Belcher

Its called the Historic Village and there is strong community support for it to reopen down there.

Calling B/S on miss adventure.

Posted on 09-09-2017 09:39 | By R. Bell

The futility of your comments is beyond belief. To deny the existence of that which exists, is the most futile of all. John Robson ex councilor confirmed the poll taken by council, re validated in 2015 by councilor McIntosh, 50% for, 31% against, 19% undecided. Johns main complaint, a fear that papamoaners enthusiasm would turn people off. Since when has enthusiasm been negative? The Pyramids, the Eiffel Tower the Tag Mahal (sic) none would exist without it. Simon Bridges, Larry Baldock other polls showing clear majorities FOR a museum.The poll by Sunlive is valid but only as a snapshot of unsupervised opinion, easily manipulated, by the blue rinse anarchists you represent. Robin Bell.

Museums can quell racism

Posted on 08-09-2017 19:00 | By Papamoaner

A modern museum can be a "truth" centre. Nobody can argue against that old quotation "he who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it" Apologies to women - "he" in this context is universal - we are all "huperson beings." I urge you all to read about the history of the colonisation of Samoa by Germany around 1900, then compare it to the colonisation of NZ by the poms a bit earlier. There is no comparison. The Germans were respectful to the Samoans and did not lie and cheat over land deals etc like those pommy bastards did to our maori people. We went to war with Germany only because they got taken over by a criminal gang by sleight of hand. These events typify the important lessons that ought to be the core of museums.

@ Bop man

Posted on 08-09-2017 16:10 | By MISS ADVENTURE

The moaners like new shiny things.

@BOP man

Posted on 08-09-2017 16:00 | By Papamoaner

Good question! I don't see why a museum has to be all together in one place. Universities, polytechnics, hospitals etc have various sites these days. The marine section of the museum is probably best adjacent to the coast for obvious reasons, and the astronomical section best on a hilltop to get above spurious noise (light emissions etc). I for one think your suggestion has merit.

why a new build

Posted on 08-09-2017 13:01 | By Bop man

Why does the museum require a new building, there are lots of empty buildings that can be used.

@ Bella da-Robbin

Posted on 08-09-2017 12:11 | By MISS ADVENTURE

You say "All polls ..." are we going to have that same conversation as before? You know the one where you swaps foot in mouth, Robson called you out, you and co-horts were found wanting, creative and as being a massive BS creator. The truth of it is that there are no polls only your desired myth creations and untruths. Sunlive ran a oll (told you before) that showed 65% did not want a Museum in Tauranga (that is the understaned truth of it) Most also agreed that they did not care if there was a Museum as long as no cost to ratepayers. Do you not read and absorb?

@Betelgeuse

Posted on 08-09-2017 10:56 | By Papamoaner

Nice comments. Modern museums, like Bethesda school Millwaukee or the museum of tolerance at Simon Weisenthall centre, teach kids so much these days, unlike those old traditional museums. I mentioned those two because when reading about them online I was struck by the similarities here in NZ where a particular ethnic group were "put down" then lately branded as shit stirrers because they want it to end. It's a bell that rings in many nations that were pioneered by the poms more than a century ago. Exceptional learning comes from kids doing their own research and then using that data to invent displays, many interactive. Some folks are also a bit afraid of museums, preferring debris to be left under the carpet in order to keep the peace. There's nought so queer as folk!

dont want it

Posted on 08-09-2017 10:32 | By dumbkof2

here we go again . council spending 100s of 1000s dollars on a project that the vast majority of people dont want. looks like there will be a big clean out again at the next election. remember what happened to all the museum lovers at the last election.

@ groutby

Posted on 08-09-2017 10:29 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Yes, correct, COuncil has not realistic input ex ratepayers as yet. On history they wont want it either. There should be a decision made by ratepayers and that the directs Councilors in the best/right path. However TCC itself does not want such a path to be taken. hence why there is 100% resistence to a referendum, binding even. That is the last thing that TCC itself would want to se happen. The "right" decision by accident ... might get made and happen.

@ Capt_Kaveman

Posted on 08-09-2017 10:26 | By MISS ADVENTURE

Yes they do, that is why they keep wanting bigger pipes, so they can waste it all faster.

As usual council not listening

Posted on 08-09-2017 08:47 | By Angels

This council are ignoring the majority.Unfortunately we will all pay the price for the rest of our lives for their ignorance of our present council to listen to the people.NO MUSEUM! Give us a vote you chicken s Another huge losing venture with no public support. Rich don,t care about anything especially to listen. Spend money like drunken sailors. Listen to the public, better yet let's have a final binding referendum

@democracy

Posted on 08-09-2017 08:32 | By Papamoaner

The whole philosophy of elected governance is that we listen to a range of proffered philosophies during election campaigns, then vote. The trick is then to let the elected council work on our behalf without trying to micro manage them by pushing for referenda at every single set of traffic lights. Taking that to it's logical conclusion, we could do away with councils all together and just manage the city by computer click. No humanity, no intuition, no culture, no more grizzles? Yeah right!To Larry Baldock - I for one reckon you are doing the job you were elected to do, and I thank you for it.

@overit

Posted on 08-09-2017 08:17 | By Papamoaner

Yes indeed we get your drift. Maori ownership of land and entities is starting to look like insurance to me lately. Insurance against insidious foreign ownership creeping up all around us. Even small things like parking. For example, That big Chinese company with the pakeha name Wilson is 100% foreign shareholded, and that is only one example. Some of the racial grudge we see on these threads seems to be pushing for it to be expanded even further.

r bell

Posted on 08-09-2017 08:07 | By dumbkof2

robin where are all these polls and surveys. to date i have not seen one and nobody has asked me for my opinion. who conducts these polls etc where are the official results. me thinks its just the yes brigade plucking a number out of thin air

Dont Get Sidetracked

Posted on 08-09-2017 06:46 | By johnmcd03

..into thinking that the majority of the 'Fossils' now in storage will find there way into this museum. It will be a concept the majority of us can not imagine at this stage, full of electronic interpretation wizzbangs.

Reason

Posted on 07-09-2017 22:16 | By Capt_Kaveman

TCC like throwing our money down the drain

Very simple really........

Posted on 07-09-2017 20:35 | By groutby

....I would still like a referendum from all ratepayers (who are the ones paying for this) to see if we actually want one...does this really not mean anything to the few wanting one, who seem to have "clout" in the community?...do they remember and have they ANY consideration for who they are supposed to work for?...

@chatter

Posted on 07-09-2017 19:40 | By Papamoaner

I am not against an official citizen's referendum and I will respect the outcome. Hopefully everyone else will too, but be very careful what you wish for.

Fantastic Museum

Posted on 07-09-2017 18:56 | By betelgeuse

Im simply thrilled that the museum at long last looks to be moving forward.I cant quite get the drift of the naysayers when they always seem to suggest that no one wants a museum!! What are they thinking about? Everyone I know believe a museum in Tauranga is way overdue and we have been pussy footing about the best location for far to long.I recall a committee set at least 6/7 years ago came to a conclusion that Cliff Rd was the answer.I think its a superb location and lets just get on with it.We have 80 plus cruise ships into Tauranga every year and I know a place that displays all our history will be well received. Schools from all over the Bay will also benefit

Maori Land

Posted on 07-09-2017 18:28 | By overit

Can anyone tell me if the proposed site on Cliff Rd is Maori Land? I think the Police Station is, and the Govt. pays Iwi a rent.Is the site in Willow St, Maori Land? Do you get my drift.

You have to love Larry????

Posted on 07-09-2017 18:20 | By waiknot

To quote This process just drives me nuts, says Larry.When will the people acknowledge Larry knows best and he has made the decision already and all this distraction from the decision he has already made, well it's just not helpful. People might decide they want something completely different to what Larry wants and where will that leave us?

A poll of six, conducted by chatter.

Posted on 07-09-2017 16:40 | By R. Bell

If you believe this forum to be a measure of anything, other than the usual activists, you also believe in fairies. All polls and surveys have shown strong support for a museum. Where have you been? Robin Bell.

Sorry @ Papamoaner

Posted on 07-09-2017 15:54 | By chatter

Given the simple 5 to 1 response here AGAINST a Museum (including me), seems to be a resounding representation of most ratepayers feeling on this subject...

museum

Posted on 07-09-2017 15:08 | By dumbkof2

Can someone please book all the councilors into a free hearing and sight test. when aretheygoing to get it into their thick heads that the majority of ratepayers dont want a museaum. get some of that massive debt down first

Good to see movement

Posted on 07-09-2017 13:47 | By Papamoaner

I'm just happy to see something happening. However, Cliff road makes more sense. Good luck with the project TCC and thanks to all those visionary people who pushed for it,

Cliff Road proposed site

Posted on 07-09-2017 13:41 | By MISS ADVENTURE

It is called "Cliff Road" for a reason, there is a cliff! That then means anything build will need significant foundations to ensure that it does not slide down the hill and onto the railway tracks. That will simply add millions more to what will be a massively expensive and over the top cost anyway. Like the ASB Arena, building that in the middle of a swamp added a huge amount to the already excessive cost to build. Millions of spending will quickly become many-millions.

What goes, What stays?

Posted on 07-09-2017 13:03 | By Maryfaith

It looks like we get a museum on Cliff Road - whether we want it or not!! I want to know what attractions at Cliff Road will be torn out and what will be left! The Vintage Car club has their building there and is very active there. What about the rose garden that has been there for upward of 50 years? The Tropical house etc ?? Seems Iwi have the biggest say - in everything !!!!!!!!!!

Listen

Posted on 07-09-2017 12:18 | By rastus

If the council was really listening they would hear that the majority of Ratepayers are not interested in a 'rate funded' museum - (I believe that free hearing checks are available to all councillors) and lets not have council staff setting this agenda either. If you think we want a museum then run a binding referendum so the ratepayers can give it to you in writing - Who are you working for? The ratepayers or a minority who have contracted the 'Must Have' disease - for goodness sake wake up!

here we go again

Posted on 07-09-2017 11:42 | By old trucker

For goodness sake, they are still on about this,NOBODY WANTS ONE, they can take all these FOSSILS over to MUSEUM in Whakatane,s new one, these KIDS in TCC making ALL these DEMANDS on us, is there a CONFLICT of interest in ARCHITECTS for this job, we (RATEPAYERS) have said NO NO, BUT TCC still want too push on ,it is UNFAIR, as they could put it in new building (30 million$$$$$$$$ BAUBLES,and then still NO need,has Anyone seen these things all wrapped up in storage and costing $$$$thousands a year storage,WHERE is the mayor in all this, saying he would PUT A STOP TO SPENDING, yeah right, he is VERY QUIET on this,my thoughts only on this, Sunlive is No1,Thankyou, 10-4, out, phew.

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