Councillor calls for dog discussion

Papamoa councillor Steve Morris wants Tauranga City Council to bring forward a review of its dog bylaw because of his town's growing population.

The bylaw is not scheduled to be reviewed until 2018, but with 44,000 people now living along the coastal strip, Steve says confrontations with dog owners along the beach are a growing issue.


Beach dog Izzy at Papamoa. Photo: Stuart Mason.

Speaking after the City Vision Committee meeting this week, Steve said: 'I have spoken with a number of residents who have had dogs defecating next to them, and when they inform the owner of their displeasure they get told, in a series of colourful metaphors, to ‘get lost'.

'I have had that reported to me several times, and not by the same person.

'There's also a difference between a dog that's being friendly and one that has an anti-social owner that doesn't know how to act properly in public.

'It's really a very small minority of dog owners who have that attitude problem, but they need an attitude adjustment.

'And because society at large isn't able to provide that, perhaps the council, through some ability to fine or remove animals, has the ability to enforce that sort of thing.”

Dogs are currently banned within 200 metres of the Papamoa Surf Life Saving Club, and the same rules apply at the Omanu Surf Life Saving Club. They are also banned from the Mount Maunganui Main Beach.

'It's not a case of there needing to be new rules,” adds Steve. 'The rules we have provide enough scope for enforcement, but we don't have the enforcement ability because we don't have the staff to be able to patrol, for example.

'I really want to stress, it is an absolute minority of dog owners that are irresponsible when they are in public.

'They spoil it for everybody else. All it takes is for a member of the public to have one bad experience with a dog on the beach for them to say ‘we have a dog issue'. It paints all the other dog owners in a bad light as well.

'I think we have the tools in the toolbox as far as enforcement goes. Legislation provides us with the ability. The bylaw at this stage says dogs need to be under control.

'There's varying definitions of what under control is, but it certainly isn't jumping up on a child or biting another dog. That's not under control.”

Patrols by dog rangers have been labelled impractical because of the length of the beach, which stretches for several kilometres.

'Think how long our coastline is,” says Steve. 'The odds of coming across an incident with our staff are very small.

'Perhaps a crack-down at certain times may provide a suitable incentive. It's a tough one, but we need to look at it.

'The bigger we grow, the higher the population of people recreating with animals on the beach. This brings more scope for an altercation or an unpleasant experience to happen.”

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27 comments

Dog Control

Posted on 26-03-2015 13:29 | By sangrae

Maybe the council should use the parking wardens to look out for the dogs on the weekends instead of chasing revenue on the weekends at the mount beach? a better use of their time .


come on

Posted on 26-03-2015 13:38 | By Maria M

we all love walking on the beach. i live in papamoa an not once have i or anyone I know had a problem with dogs on beach. it's great exercise for both.


Ignorant dog owners

Posted on 26-03-2015 13:41 | By maildrop

Think the world and other humans come second to their dumb animal. If I see a dog being allowed to foul where I may tread I deal with it. Make it your business to find out where they live. What goes around comes around.


Wisechief

Posted on 26-03-2015 13:42 | By Wise Chief

Can we have nationalities & Numbers of these complainants & how long they have been living in Mount. Why? Because over the term of my 60 years of life on beach there have been plenty of dogs running around without any problems enjoying the beach as they too have a right to like us humans. We Mount locals don't need anymore wealthy or poor invaders from Europe, China, South Africa or elsewhere coming here making one complaint & demanding for selfish reasons to change Status Quo. We lost soundshell because of 1 such complaint by newbie rich fat cat who decided Mounties & Tourist in Summer could no longer have concerts there because elderly HE & SHE had brought property nearby. Notice how council has kept this persons name out of the paper so we can't throw eggs at their car and house as we ride or walk past.


Leashes on

Posted on 26-03-2015 15:08 | By Savi

Dogs on the beaches in the bay to be on leashes for a start. It would take the fear factor away for many young and old who have been confronted by dogs bounding up to them on our local beaches.


Come on Steve ...

Posted on 26-03-2015 15:20 | By Murray.Guy

Come on Steve, this is on par with 'water gushing from the mouldy walls' of city hall! We don't need more staff, the issue of the inappropriate dog management on the beaches and elsewhere is over time becoming less of an issue with a vast increase in responsible dog owners. What is also on the increase is a few folk (just a few) who are becoming increasingly less tolerant, increasingly more selfish, more prone to spontaneous complaining. In my 60 years frequently our beautiful beach environments I have NEVER felt at risk, never stood in dog doos (or anyone else's) BUT yes, from time to time I may have observed a dog that is about as controlled as many of the folk enjoying the sun, surf and sand.


Come on Murray ...

Posted on 26-03-2015 17:35 | By Councillorwatch

Steve is not talking about the vast majority of responsible dog owners. As a responsible ward councillor he is taking up an issue on behalf of people who are adversely affected by the irresponsible ones. Murray Guy, you may have never felt at risk from a dog, but there are people who have been terrified especially from rushing dogs and dogs that get excited and bite. Our ratepayers shouldn't have to put up with such fear. Beaches are for people first. People who are frightened of vicious dogs and complain about it, aren't selfish. It's the irresponsible breed of dog owners who are selfish. But Murray, if you run again next election to represent the Mount you are so familiar with, then we'll know whether it is you or Steve who is right.


Doggie doos

Posted on 26-03-2015 17:50 | By Twinkle Toes

I have two beautiful dogs and walk regularly on the Mount beach. I take doggie poo bags with me and clean up after myself. Not once have I tread or seen any dog mess from other dogs. Leave them be. If I have to endure seeing naked people lying on the beach showing all there bits off then for me it's ok to have my furry friends enjoying fresh air, a swim and a doggie social meet.


dogs

Posted on 26-03-2015 18:11 | By peter pan

There should be a area of the beach for dogs to do their thing and thats that,but only there ,Dog owners might think everything is ok after they have picked up the dogs droppings and it usually cocks it leg at the same time,but for me they have contaminated that area and i wouldn't like to sit there and have a pick nick with my grandchildren.


Murray conveniently forgets his hyperbole

Posted on 26-03-2015 19:11 | By Steve Morris

"Mr Guy said certain dog breeds "clearly pose a risk to their owners, other people in the community and other animals". He said these animals are not welcome in the community." Cr Murray Guy Feb 9 2010


Lazy

Posted on 26-03-2015 20:58 | By Capt_Kaveman

Council, TCC should be doing checks as an informative approach on what is required by dog owners or watch and then tell them to clean up and if they dont then out with the infringement book


Grasping at straws Steve

Posted on 26-03-2015 21:52 | By Murray.Guy

You refer to my on going concern in regard our (societies) failure to better manage dog breeds and cross breeds that feature disproportionately in dog attacks with ferocious and deadly outcomes. I would applaud you and any Councillor who had the courage to deal to this 'real issue'. This is totally unrelated to the management of dog behaviour along our coastlines. As for Councillorwatch, hallucinating again as like Steve, his comments mostly do not relate to my earlier post (as usual).


murray guy

Posted on 26-03-2015 23:28 | By monty1212

Here we go again. Another sour grape comment from murray. Thank god he failed to get elected with views like this one!


Gushing Mould?

Posted on 27-03-2015 01:47 | By YOGI BEAR

But that has little to do with dogs and what dogs are doing in the sand at the beach. But Steve, it does have a lot to do with what comes out of TCC continuously and likely is the cause of the mould to, at least it would add the nice smell to he place anyway.


Okey Dokey.....

Posted on 27-03-2015 05:09 | By Jimmy Ehu

Councillor Steve, lets take it a step further and ask from responsible dog owners, how can we get some sort of value for our over the top registration?, for example in Nelson a beach area is set aside with "doggy doo" bags on most entrance ways to the beach plus many a bush trail with the same,and their registration is $25.00 less than here,provide us with a little help without grandstanding please!!!!.


Dogs on the Beach

Posted on 27-03-2015 08:14 | By Raewyne T

I use to walk my small dog on a lead on the beach, gave up after big dogs with no leads constantly attacking my dog. My personal view, keep all dogs off the beach from 8am till 6 pm. If dog owners are caught in these times, fine them. Also mandatory that dogs owners pick up the poops. Council to ensure that there are doggy poo bins regularly along the beach.


Murray Guy vs Steve Morris

Posted on 27-03-2015 10:44 | By Councillorwatch

Steve rightly points out Cr (at the time) Murray Guy's proposed bylaw making it an offence to be in control, possession or responsible for the presence of specific dog breeds within the boundaries of Tauranga City? Presumably that includes our beaches? The article goes on to say this should be high on our priority list. (Reported 9 Feb 2010) Yet Murray Guy now seems to criticise Cr Morris for suggesting we have some controls over problem dogs on our beaches? Go figure.


Is Murray Guy bitter?

Posted on 28-03-2015 16:01 | By Councillorwatch

To me Murray seems happy to mouth opinions on many subjects and fair enough. But when someone like Cr Steve or me happen to do a bit of research (google is an amazing tool) and remind the public through Sunlive of his previous words he seems to call this grasping at straws or even hallucinating. Sunlive readers can look it up themselves and see who is right. Actually a solution is quite simple, all dogs on leads in public places where other people and dogs are around. But back to Murray Guy, I believe you proposed a bylaw over dangerous dogs that the public feel threatened by. How can you now dismiss Steve's concerns because you "have never felt at risk?" It isn't all about you, it's about the public, isn't it?


Owners

Posted on 30-03-2015 14:56 | By Tyraone

Teach the owners to educate and train their dogs!!! I am a trainer and owner and I get sick of seeing ill behaved dogs with owners who dont have a clue on discipline etc. so how the heck are the dogs to know right from wrong!!! Hey what about the wandering dogs that frequent the beaches that is a big issue in Maketu again it is an owner problem. Not a dog one!!!


AND

Posted on 30-03-2015 15:00 | By Tyraone

dont you dare up the Dog Rego because of stupid people who have absolutely no idea how to control their dog/s. I pay enough I am a NZ Kennel Club member and I pay dearly for the privilege and my dogs are my family and they know their place within my hierarchy. there is only a small minority in my view and observation that know how to teach and train their dog/s properly.


We voted him out

Posted on 02-04-2015 15:42 | By Kenworthlogger

With views like Murry guys im glad we voted him out of council. Go people power!


Come on people

Posted on 03-04-2015 13:24 | By Fonzie

A Dog playing on the beach with kids is the most natural thing in the world Unfortunately there are some irresponsible owners who need to be nailed for their behaviour Does that mean ban all the others ? Have dog free sections of beach for those who can't abide dogs and leave the rest of the beaches for all to enjoy including dogs I am not a dog owner BTW


Don't forget me!

Posted on 05-04-2015 15:24 | By tibs

I think Steve is worried that former councillor Clayton is getting more column space than he is. Let's have a beat up about a non issue.


Councillorwatch, You're misguided and mischievious as usual.

Posted on 14-04-2015 20:37 | By Murray.Guy

Steve said:


Once again...

Posted on 15-04-2015 20:12 | By kiwigrunt

My hometown is being wrecked by out of town wowsers. If you haven't lived here for at least 30 years, you should have no say in ANY matter in OUR town...dogs are fine on the beach as long as the owner is there to control them, bet half the retard council are not even locals


Come on

Posted on 18-04-2015 08:45 | By Tyraone

Stop picking on the dogs and their owners!! What about the irresponsible types that leave rubbish, bottles, some broken on the beach you would never see a dog doing that!!! And the unruly undiscaplined children and adults alike. I frequent Newdicks beach a lot and there are a lot of owners that take their dogs walking along there and the dogs overall behavior is faultless compared to some humans. I say to these out of towners that decide to settle in the bay either put up with our life style or go back to where you came from. I am always picking up other peoples discarded rubbish off the beach and disposable nappies are my pet hate, especially when there are rubbish bins nearby to lazy to walk a few metres to dispose of same and I have to pick up the revolting things and dispose of same.


Im a local

Posted on 18-04-2015 13:09 | By Kenworthlogger

Its simple. When in a public place all dogs should be on a leash. On your own property you can do what you wish!


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