Siren campaigner wants Bay focus

Tauranga City Councillor Bill Grainger wants people's increasing awareness of potential tsunami danger following the Japan earthquake to focus closer to home.

An advocate for early warning tsunami sirens, Bill says most Bay of Plenty residents are unaware there is a considerable tsunami danger much closer to the region than Japan.


Bill on The Strand, at one metre above sea level.

The Rumbles volcanoes lie along the Kermadec Ridge about 300km northwest of Tauranga. They are active, and one of them, Rumble III, blew 100m off its top in an undersea eruption in 2007.

A tsunami generated by an eruption or earthquake near the Rumbles would take less than an hour to make landfall along the Bay of Plenty.

Sirens are the best way of alerting the greatest number of people in the shortest time, says Bill.

Sirens at Mount Maunganui, Papamoa and Maketu, plus another in central Tauranga, will contact people both at home and while driving, says Bill, who notes if the tsunami siren goes off in the middle of the night, 'we use what we have got”.

'In the Mount central, the logical place to go is to run up the Mount or Mount Drury. 'People on Tauranga's Otumoetai harbour front can escape up the hill.

'Papamoa is little different. I'm sure there's something that can be done as part of a larger plan.

'It is just a concern for me,” says Bill.

'We have pussy-footed around too long – something has to be done about it and it has to be done now. I just want to shake things up a little bit.”

On January 26, before the second Christchurch earthquake and the Japan earthquake and tsunami; acting on advice that sirens were ineffective as warning systems, the Tauranga City Council decided to instead support the Readynet system – a system that is activated by mains power pulses. It is a communication coordination system that provides clarity of information for Civil Defence responders and also offers a device for people's homes to alert residents. The device costs $120, with an expectation most householders would have to purchase their own.

Tsunami risk is the focus of many local government organisations around the country.

Environment Waikato regional hazards manager Adam Munro says New Zealand ranks fourth in the world for tsunami risk and second in the world for tornado frequency.
Waikato University is hosting a second regional hazards forum at the university on Thursday, March 31 to which the media and the general public are invited.

The forum is at the PWC lecture theatre 7-9m. People are asked to bring a gold coin donation to go towards the Christchurch earthquake appeal.
'The forum will provide the media and the community with a good overview how hazard risks that we face in the Waikato are managed,” says Adam.
'The impacts of the Canterbury earthquakes, flooding in Queensland and the devastation caused by the Japanese tsunami are clear examples of why we need to take these risks very seriously.”
River flooding is a particular risk in the Waikato and there is also a focus currently on looking at what eastern Coromandel communities need to be better prepared for the impacts of a large tsunami generated by local and far away earthquakes.
'As well as these risks, there are active volcanoes in our region and potential for earthquakes along local fault lines, and tornadoes,” says Adam.

22 comments

American Cold War Sirens

Posted on 28-03-2011 16:19 | By tabatha

There was an article about a person wanting to bring a Air Raid type siren to the Air display at the Mount. Apparently there are old ones in America which are in need of some TLC. They have a good range and a few of them positioned would let all of the Coast know. They would have to be placed away from any immediate building.


Requires serious thought

Posted on 28-03-2011 16:29 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

Politicking and claiming to be the one to shake things up has no place in this serious discussion. Would you hear sirens on a stormy night? Probably not. Would you hear sirens on a windy day? Not unless the wind was in the right direction. In your car with the stereo on? Most people don't even hear the ambulance siren behind them. Forget the Kermadecs as being close. What about White island or Mayor island? Warning time available from blast till wave hits. About 3 minutes. What does Bill mean when he notes if the siren goes off in the middle of the night "we use what we've got." Hmmmm. Clearly good neighbourliness is going to be the vital factor in any such emergency. Having said that, the cost of putting is sirens could be met by cutting council funding to sport, arts and ever growing facilities and I look forward to Bill Grainger sorting this out.


sirens

Posted on 28-03-2011 17:53 | By crazysteed

well Japan have a system working we might as well start looking into it and see how they have done it. But in saying that ok a cost is one thing we need to look into is well


Go for sirens

Posted on 28-03-2011 18:04 | By Chris

I've previously lived in Tornado Alley in the Midwest of America where the storms make quite a noise. But I've always heard the warning sirens above the sounds of oncoming tornadoes. I don't understand your hesitation to use them here. If they are of the air raid quality spoken of above, and you have them strategically positioned they can be the quickest way of warning. If you want another method of backup, fine. But sirens have saved my life- more than once.


We're on to it Bill...

Posted on 28-03-2011 19:51 | By Murray.Guy

Mayor Crosby initiated discussion at this afternoons Project and Monitoring Committee in regard Tauranga City Council adopting a greater local leadership role in regard the assessment and implementation of appropriate community alert options - all elected members present supported Mayor Crosby in this.


Duh?

Posted on 28-03-2011 21:07 | By al pillocksworth

Is this the same Cr Grainger who campaigned against traffic lights at the Maungatapu roundabout? In that case I'd ask Cr Grainger's advice which tsunami warning system was best, then make the other choice. You'd have a greater chance of making the right decision.


What happened to...

Posted on 28-03-2011 23:06 | By tibs

Didn't they have some sirens in storage when that chap Lowe was"organising" things? I thought he'd resigned or got a DCM or something but I see he's with Tauranga Moana Rural Fire, threatening any wayward fire lighters with a big stick. And next time you see a Civil Defence ute in town look at the bottom of the sign writing on the door, their functions include Rural Fire, so he's likely still in the fold. These are the professionals who plan disasters, or should that be plan for disasters but now we have city council and regional council involved a swell. Seems a bit like having a dog and barking as well!


Of course!

Posted on 28-03-2011 23:53 | By tibs

Naturally, by now, council will have contacted their sister city, Hitachi City, in Japan for information about earthquake and tsunami warning systems, won't they? If not, there's a suggestion for you. But not a suggestion for a trip there again!


Y'all hear now

Posted on 29-03-2011 07:30 | By BillyBob

Congratulashuns on bein'elected as one of dem fancy councillor fellers. I'm goin' down to dem shops ova yonda and gunna buy me one of those sireeens. Aftaa dat White island blows I can kiss may dang ass goodbye before dat sireeen even hollers. But in the middle of da night as you says brother, we use wot we got. Y'all hear now. Billy Bob.


Sadly sirens didn't work

Posted on 29-03-2011 08:34 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

The suggestions by contributors to this discussion to take a look at what happened in Japan is a worthy one. Sadly, from the huge death toll, it is clear that sirens were not the solution. Between this publicity story for Cr Grainger going online and now I've managed to find out a bit of info that it would have been good for Cr Grainger to have mentioned. Apparently if there is a real tsunami warning (not one of the many false alarms), a helicopter with a siren on it will fly low over the Papamoa, Mount and Tauranga harbour areas. To me that combo of a helicopter and a siren will be much louder than any fixed siren system and ultimately much more successful in saving lives.


POLITICKING = LACK OF ACTION

Posted on 29-03-2011 18:09 | By Insider

Yes sirens ( very good sirens)strategically placed must be the first step. How come Cr Grainger and Mayor Crosby have now latched on to this when most of us who are concerned have been canvassing hard for sirens over the past two years.There are other initatives required but lets deal with some simple aids to start with. The rest will follow in due course.


dunes a protection

Posted on 29-03-2011 20:53 | By michael.morris@clear.net.nz

The recent disasters in Japan provide yet another reason for saving our sand dunes. The dunes provide a natural system that slows down tsunami and allows their energy to dissipate. They are far more effective than sea walls as the Japanese discovered to their cost.


MORE THAN SIRENS

Posted on 30-03-2011 17:34 | By THE PELICAN BRIEF

You actually need somewhere to go also, like to be able to get to higher ground without every man and his dog jumping into a car then only to gridlock the place. A path in a straightline, over the obstacls to the nearest high ground is ESSENTIAL !!!!!!! Otherwise the sirens are a waste of time as the punters then only get to watch it coming, conforting thought for sure.


Makes good sense

Posted on 30-03-2011 21:37 | By Insider

Well said Michael Morris you make a very good and valid point about the retention and enhancement of the sand dunes.With other initatives this must help and it is a cost effective measure.


GET A MAP & ACT NOW

Posted on 31-03-2011 09:19 | By EYESPY

COUNCILLOR GRAINGER for heavens sake go and purchase a local map. Papamoa has high ground reasonably close if you can get to it like WELCOME BAY FOOTHILLS PAPAMOA HILLS/REGIONAL PARK KAIRUA ROAD MATAPIHI ROAD MAUNGATAWA HILL and so on.What provision has TAURANGA CITY COUNCIL made to enable the public to get to these safe havens.LET me enlighten you TCC have done NOTHING at all !!!


Stop moaning and get on with it

Posted on 31-03-2011 14:20 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

This is YET ANOTHER example of WHATS THE COUNCIL GOING TO DO ABOUT IT! People in the danger zone should get together, form a committee, do some fundraising and organise something ASAP. $1 (voluntary) donation from everybody at Papamoa and the Mt and they would all be SORTED. If you wait for the council to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT (it is YOUR LIFE that is in danger remember) youll be washed out to sea and drown - Try complaining and asking WHATS THE COUNCIL GOING TO DO ABOUT IT then! We have cultivated and encouraged a life of council and government dependancy and it is sickening. If you spent as much energy doing something constructive as you do asking WHATS THE COUNCIL GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, you would have 100s of the things by now!


BRILLEUAX FAILS

Posted on 31-03-2011 17:30 | By WIDOWMAKER

Only Council should organise this, perhaps Council should employ some experienced staff commence a study on the affects of tsunami's and earthquakes and other natural events and then recommend a plan for all of the BOP area.


Widowmaker is a looter!

Posted on 31-03-2011 20:16 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

Why should council organise this? Council Dont have the monopoly on peoples lives and safety. Council wont die in a Tsunami People living on the coast will If they value their lives and families they should do it now - If they wait for the council to do it, it could be too late Widowmaker is just too lazy to do something proactive themself - its FAR easier to moan to the council and make them FORCE other people to pay for it. We have become a culture of looter and moochers who think they have a right to force others to pay for things THEY want.


Face Reality

Posted on 01-04-2011 11:22 | By Hebegeebies

brilleaux I agree you don't want TCC involved in one more thing than they have to be.The public unfortunately don't have the right to erect sirens on public land and probably not on private land either.Public does not have right of access through private property.Council need spend very little money on the warning sirens and designated escape routes and don't think for one moment that Mount /Papamoa are only parts of Tauranga likely to be affected.


council bullied into doing stuff

Posted on 03-04-2011 12:36 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

@heebegebies: Thank you. I believe if these people got off their arses, and did the work, all the council would have to do is rubber stamp it. It should be councils job to make it as EASY AS POSSIBLE for OTHERS to do these sorts of things, and not take them on themselves, but this is what they do ALL THE TIME - people GANG UP on the council, and demand WHAT ARE THE COUNCIL GOING TO DO! ITs easier to do that than do the work themselves. so well-meaning councillors think - oooh thats a good cause, let me get behind this one and gain some Brownie points, and before you know it they are putting the ratepayers name down as guarantor for another million or two.


Rudderless

Posted on 03-04-2011 13:51 | By Hebegeebies

brilleaux Council is bad enough but just try getting a community group together to do something like this.They would never reach agreement about anything.Check out Historic Village team that will no doubt turn to custard.


Do it or die waiting for the council to do it

Posted on 05-04-2011 13:02 | By The author of this comment has been removed.

@Heebegeebies - Oh well! That is up to them I suppose - you only have one life, and its their lives at risk not mine. The problem is that they are so used to COUNCIL doing stuff for them that they are now no longer able to do stuff themselves. This is a common occurrence with Council and Government. The people become so reliant and used to them doing it for them that they have lost the ability to do it themselves. It is also no good trying to do it in partnership with the council, because they will once again TAKE OVER.


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