Residents arrange own siren test

A Papamoa association is not satisfied with Tauranga City Council's decision on the tsunami siren system for the beachside suburb and is taking matters into their own hands.

The Papamoa Progressive Association has arranged for Wellington based Tactical Tooling to undertake a demonstration of its ‘air raid' style sirens next month.


Tactical Tooling will conduct a tsunami siren test in Papamoa and Mount Maunganui on October 19.

Papamoa Progressive Association president Steve Morris says the decision to enlist Tactical Tooling has come about by public demand and will be held on October 19.

'The reason we are going down this track is it is not just the PPA, we have been speaking to people in the community as well,” says Steve.

'The feedback from the community is clear, they want something loud that everybody can hear, and is cost effective from a maintenance point of view.”

Tauranga City Council has previously enlisted Meerkat systems to put together a tsunami siren system involving electronic sirens as opposed to the big air-raid sirens.

Steve says the siren test undertaken six weeks ago failed as no one could hear the sirens.

Apart from not being able to hear the electronic sirens, Steve says the air raid style sirens will be cheaper to install and maintain than the proposed network of 60 electronic sirens.

The fact the city council has already let the contract for designing the system and obtaining resource consent to the electronic siren manufacturer Meerkat doesn't deter the Papamoa Progressive Association.

'The second stage has not been agreed to yet,” says Steve.

'Council have a meeting in November where they are going to approve the second stage, letting the contract to build it.”

Steve says the air raid sirens are loud enough for just six or seven of them to be heard over the same areas of coastal Papamoa, the Mount and Tauranga that will be covered by a network of 60 electronic sirens.

The ongoing maintenance costs of keeping the electronic network tsunami ready will be far more than that of the louder, air raid siren alternative says Steve.

'That's why we have invited these guys up. These guys are engineers, they don't have marketers or planners who give them advice.

'We have been in touch with the staff at the council and we are inviting them to be a part of the test in any way they wish. We want them to be involved.”

The tsunami test is on Friday, October 19 at 9am in Papamoa and 10.30am in Mount Maunganui.

15 comments

Tsunami Sirens

Posted on 24-09-2012 17:04 | By crazysteed

Well TCC you are moving way too slow on this issue and now the people of Papamoa & Mt Maunganui are taking action come on TCC move it or lose at the next elections


Another failure...

Posted on 24-09-2012 17:14 | By dgk

I'll be in the office at the Mount at that time. What are the odds I wont hear this privately funded test either? Or, no one will know what it means as they have yet to do a mass marketing effort....


Watch Out Sitting Councillors

Posted on 24-09-2012 17:56 | By tabatha

I hope some of those Councillors voted in for the area of Papamoa stand up and take note, Steve stood for Council last time and missed out. His work he is doing with Papamoa must be noticed. Pity he was not there sooner. I have said before Councillors are elected by the people for the people and it is time they listened to the people. Those in the work area of the TCC BUilding work for the CEO, we are told, so they need to be put on notice.


sirens

Posted on 24-09-2012 18:26 | By sangrae

its not the staff that should be involved its the mayor and his councillors that should be involved they are responsible not the paid servants


RATES REBATE???

Posted on 24-09-2012 18:55 | By waiknot

So do the Papamoa Residents get a Rates Rebate to compensate for taking over some TCC responsibilities? But lets get real here, siren or no siren there's no way everyone can get out of Papamoa


Putting your faith in any siren is stupid

Posted on 25-09-2012 01:02 | By Gee Really

Wise people build their houses on firm foundations, not on sand. Anyone concerned about the remote possibility of a tsunami should move to considerably higher than sea level. There won't be any warning if White Island blows. The sirens are just a side issue and of little real use.


TCC are gambling with residents lives...

Posted on 25-09-2012 12:09 | By wreck1080

Amazing they haven't had these for 30 years already.


A good bet

Posted on 25-09-2012 12:37 | By CC8

The Mayor will hear this from his enclave in Welcome Bay...it's really only just across the highway..... but he will probably deny hearing it!!


At Last Some Action

Posted on 25-09-2012 14:02 | By Jitter

It is pleasing to see that PPA have taken the initiative on this and have already made more progress than TCC to date. I have been stating all along in letters to the papers that 5 or 6 air raid type sirens would be sufficient for the Papamoa Mount coast area. This is based on the area over which the WW II siren at Classic flyers can be heard when it is fired up. I agree that sirens will not give enough warning if there is a major slump in the Kermadec Trench or White Island blows it's top. However it is a good and positive start. Hopefully will not be delayed by all the red tape that TCC have to go through. However I believe that the majority of the red tape TCC have to go through is self inflicted.


Good on you Steve

Posted on 25-09-2012 14:38 | By Adrian Muller

Steve Morris is to be congratualted for taking the initiative here. To their credit also, both Wayne Moultrie and David Stewart are travelling up to Omaha (north of Auckland) with some other Councillors, to look at the tsunami siren situation up there, and will report back when they return, If White Island blew its top, geophysicists estimate the tsunami would reach a height of only about 500 mms or half a metre. It would be a 'single point origin' tsunami with the energy radiating out in all directions, so less dangerous. The dangerous ones will be 'tele-tsunamis' generated when a large section of sea floor is uplifted at a tectonic plate boundary, and the raised water has to go somewhere, as happened in both the Indian Ocean, and off Japan. Papamoa ought to get either an hour or so warning, or maybe up to 12 hours warning, but Papamoa East would take 4 hours to get all the people out. In 1968 a tsunami generated by an underwater avalanche off Chile generated a tsunami which 26 hours later hit Japan and people were drowned there: over a day later!


THE REAL DEAL AT LAST!

Posted on 01-10-2012 17:24 | By YOGI

Now that will not make teh officals at all happy as the nice sweet little scheme that they want will look completely stupid and rightly so of course. Look out for the noise abatment notice to shut this down before it starts.


Noise abatement

Posted on 03-10-2012 08:00 | By TACTOOL

In response to a comment from Yogi, the Tactool siren has an on-axis power output of 150dBA, and a sound pressure level at 1 metre, of 142dBA. Due to the directionality of the horns, the machine is noise compliant when mounted on a 10 metre pole. During this test, the siren will be elevated to that height. At a distance of 50 metres from the base of the pole, the time for hearing damage to start is 12 minutes, and at 100 metres distance, 1.6 hours. At 10km it is 8 hours. Since the test running time is only 3 minutes cycling up and down (alert signal) followed by 30 seconds of silence, then another 30 seconds of constant run at full speed (all-clear signal), the hearing damage times will never be reached. The power output of these machines is such that they can be installed out of sight at remote locations, so noise abatement is never an issue. All parameters quoted have been independently measured and certified in a published report, by a prominent NZ acoustic engineering consultantcy. Gary Lewis, design engineer and co-director, Tactical Tooling Ltd.


THE REAL THING

Posted on 14-10-2012 11:14 | By TERMITE

At last!


THE REAL DEAL HERE THEN IS

Posted on 23-10-2012 14:13 | By Secret Squirrel

That no self serving offical is going to let a good idea get in the way of a genuine fair dinkum spendup on something that is not needed and does not work anyway.


TEST RESULTS

Posted on 23-10-2012 20:43 | By Secret Squirrel

A "sound off" is the only way to go on this, that would mean a good decision would be made with "real" facts on the table ... and in your ears. The right decision would then be easy to make.


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