A former councillor has been ejected from a tumultuous Tauranga City Council meeting because he refused to stop speaking from the public gallery.
Tolley acknowledged people were “disappointed they were unable to speak” and explained there would be no public forum because there would be “plenty of opportunities to have conversations” about the decision as part of the draft long term plan consultation process.
Guy stood, interrupting Monday’s meeting, and questioned why there was no public forum.
Tolley reiterated her previous point and said: “I'm asking you to sit down, or I'll have to have you removed".
Guy refused: “I'm sorry, but you're going to have to have me removed".
“You are non-compliant. The council policy does not give you the right to deny me to speak in a public forum,” he claimed.
Tolley responded: “Actually it does. It is entirely at my discretion.”
She said his “conduct is disorderly and creating a disturbance” asked he be removed and adjourned the meeting.
Guy said, in his view, it was “Gutless”, “You are non-compliant and non-elected.”
Tauranga City Council CEO Marty Grenfell after escorting Murray out. Photo: Alisha Evans/SunLive.
Council CEO Marty Grenfell asked Guy to leave but he declined. He was backed by members of the packed public gallery who said: “Let him speak”.
Guy said as councillor, who helped set up the public forum in 2011, he and former mayor Stuart Crosby “never once denied a person the right to speak”.
He left after multiple requests from Grenfell. A woman in the public gallery touched Grenfell and he warned her not to or she would be removed as well.
People in the public gallery included Garth Mathieson of the Tauranga Millennium Track Trust and Tauranga Lawn Tennis Club President Phillip Brown, who were also denied speaking rights.
Members of the public forum heckled some of the speakers. Photo: Alisha Evans/SunLive.
The trust and tennis club have formed the Hands-off Tauranga Domain Alliance with the Tauranga Croquet Club, and the Bay of Plenty Speedway Association, who will all be affected if the proposed stadium goes ahead.
Some of the public continued to heckle the meeting, especially when CEO of Priority One Nigel Tutt, who led the stadium business case, spoke.
They were reminded by Tolley to “use their manners”.
Tutt said the stadium was “quite polarising”, but it aligned with rejuvenating the Tauranga’s CBD.
The proposed community stadium would provide 7000 permanent seats with the provision for an additional 8000 temporary seats.
It would also include a “light” exhibition centre; a 1300 sqm function centre, a community multi-use facility with 400 sqm of changing rooms and lounge space, and a sports science/physiotherapy space.
Two surveys getting the public’s views were carried out one by market research company Key Research and the other was a survey on the council website.
The Key Research poll, that attracted 1198 responses, showed there was more support with the younger demographic and males said Tutt.
The council survey had 3318 response and 35 per cent strongly or somewhat supported stadium while 63 per cent strongly or somewhat opposed it.
Tutt said this survey had “substantially more negative” responses but there was “some misinformation” sent out about the stadium by online groups.
This was ahead of the commission deciding whether to add the stadium to the council’s 2024/34 draft long term plan.
Commissioner Stephen Selwood also acknowledged the “divided view” within the community and said the council did need to consult with the whole community.
This was met with applause from the public gallery.
“I make the point about it being a long-term investment because if there's one thing the city has failed to do over the last few decades is to adequately invest in its future.”
Commissioner Shadrach Rolleston said some of the misinformation circulating was that the stadium was going to be locked up.
“The public have free access into the domain. I do want to make it clear to those sitting here that that is not going to change.
“This is a community green space that's valued by the community.”
The council proposed a staged delivery of the stadium starting in 2029/30, which is also when the clubs’ leases expire.
Tolley acknowledged: “Financially, we [the council] can't afford this at the moment.” So it didn’t “make sense” to add it to the long term plan in the next few years.
Commission chair Anne Tolley. Photo: John Borren/SunLive.
“Let’s get on with Te Manawataki O Te Papa, (the $304m civic precinct) and getting the center of town looking like a place that people want to come to.
“We are here to do the best for the city for the next 30 years. One of the things we found was a huge under-investment in community facilities.”
A budget of $70 million is proposed for the first stage, with $40 million from rates-funded loans and $30 million from other sources.
The council also budgeted $30 million to relocate the athletics track, Tauranga Bowling Club, croquet club and some of the tennis courts.
The stadium will be included in the draft long-term plan that will go out for public consultation later in the year.
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14 comments
Representation at its Finest? NOT!
Posted on 21-08-2023 15:21 | By waiknot
I am so thrilled to have a council that understands where the community are at.
Oh dear Mr Guy….
Posted on 21-08-2023 15:30 | By Ghost
Unfortunately Mr Murray Guy is a reason why Tauranga City is in catch up mode. Him and the previous counselors have left behind a legacy of broken promises and broken systems while, yes, unelected members have tried to mend the many mistakes made and move Tauranga to a future not holding on to a past residents from 20 years ago want to hold.
Tauranga needs transformation and leadership that aren’t afraid to ruffle a few feathers rather than the old boys club that would rather have a “you scratch my back I’ll scratch yours” attitude.
God help us when elected members are back and the infighting begins.
Well…
Posted on 21-08-2023 16:45 | By Shadow1
If we can’t afford it at the moment, why are we spending time on it? More people don’t want it than do so kick it down the road for a few years. The meeting looks as if it was a shambles. One of the consequences was that a respected ex Councillor was made to leave by the CEO. That is disgraceful! The Commission should be ashamed. The Labour government should be ashamed. I just hope the incoming government will look closely at the circumstances which led to the dismissal of our elected Councillors and dump the unwanted commissioners.
Shadow1.
Ratepayers opinion
Posted on 21-08-2023 17:08 | By Let's get real
I don't know if any of the unelected commissioners pay rates in Tauranga, but I do know that they are being paid extremely well by ratepayers to work for them as imposed employees. Two thirds of respondents in this instance have said NO!!! So why do we need further consultation unless it's just to line a few pockets. Once again we cater to the minority and those that will likely make money from council spending. I have little time for subsidising any sport, as I strongly believe that it needs to be user pays, but to suggest spending millions on any structure that might only be used for six events a year (in the case of the racing/gambling club) is lunacy using someone else's money.
Tolley's folly
Posted on 21-08-2023 19:45 | By nerak
she says “plenty of opportunities to have conversations” . What do you take us for Tolley?
Unlike you, most adults can engage in a two way conversation. Its painfully obvious you can't. Too much BS, not enough decency to listen to the cry of the ravaged ratepayer. No worries, your backside warmed by $1800 each time you sit in a chair owned by the ratepayers of this city. By the way, had another lovely day out and about today, and it sure wasn't in Tauranga. Amazing how many people we come across out and about, anywhere but in their home town. All saying the same, "why would we go into Tauranga any more, can't see the point, much quicker to go somewhere pleasant with a great vibe, and no, don't plan to go back". You should have had that conversation.
Well there it is.......
Posted on 21-08-2023 21:07 | By groutby
......I may or may not agree or disagree with what Mr Guy had to say, but in the commissioners view he has no right to say it nor defend his right to do so even when the other ratepaying public requested he continue...Mahuta must be proud of her and that of the desperate compliant CEO appointments who have every intention of not listening to the people who pay their extortionate wages, nor any intention of considering that opinion if they were allowed to do so.
This is shameful, I can only hope that with the change of government in October, the commissioners can be 'de-commissioned' as soon as possible...democracy?...what democracy... there isn't any!...
Crowd
Posted on 22-08-2023 09:15 | By AJSommerville
Look at all those people in the crowd, very reflective of our community (not). Trying to shut down a decision to go out for consultation.
Mr Guy
Posted on 22-08-2023 09:40 | By peanuts9
I agree with Ghost. The incompetent, backwards looking & biased councillors, including Mr. Guy, are part of the reason we now have commissioners. They ran the city as an "old boys club" until we had a city deep in debt, lacking many necessities, & stuck in the 1950s.
The commissioners may not be ideal but they are a vast improvement on Mr. Guy & his cohorts.
Mr. Guy & his band of naysayers need to realise they do not speak for the majority but only for themselves.
The Master
Posted on 22-08-2023 12:50 | By Ian Stevenson
In reply to "Oh dear Mr Guy…." although Murray Guy was there at TCC, he did in general terms oppose the TCC plans of rampant spending and more. The prime suspects, guilt as sin included: - Crosby, Steward (David), Mike Baker, Faulkner. These along with a few other wobblers were the menace to the community.
The scenario is vastly worse now as the Commissioners are illegally appointed and although ratepayers monies said and still does "we are listening" they actually are not listening at all. Hence the no-speak, no hear no listen Modus Operandi.
Ex Cop turned Security Guard / CEO
Posted on 22-08-2023 12:57 | By Otumoetai Resident
Marty Grenfell CEO ex policeman becomes a bouncer removing an ex (elected) Councillor from a council meeting. Once Labour lose the election we look forward to removing Anne Tolley and her 3 lap dogs from the council chamber and bring back democracy to this city
Whats sad about this
Posted on 22-08-2023 14:54 | By an_alias
The part Ghost and the rest ALL miss is YOU HAVE NO SAY.
This is just a reflection of Tolley, its my way or the highway.
Your an absolute fool to think we will get ahead without democracy being a corner stone.
You pay RATES all your life and be happy for 6 years of NOT having a say on what gets money spent on.
If you think after this 6 years its looking better, man, take a look around Tauranga and see the money going down the drain for things we do not need.
What They Said
Posted on 22-08-2023 23:28 | By Inmediasres
Ghost and Peanuts9 are spot on!
Well done Murray Guy
Posted on 23-08-2023 09:12 | By The Sage
Good for you having the guts to speak out against something the majority of the population do not seem to want. The fact that you were cried down by Tolley just reinforces what a dictatorial approach these Commissioners have. They don’t want public consultation or discussion, they say people have the chance to have input but they don’t listen. If they don’t listen in public, they sure as heck aren’t going to take written submissions seriously. To add salt to the wound they had Nigel Tutt saying the change would rejuvenate the CBD. What rubbish and then being said by a Council funded organisation who makes their living from surveys, meetings and pontificating. I don’t any of them have ever owned a business in the private sector.
Oh penuts
Posted on 23-08-2023 09:33 | By an_alias
"Mr Guy and his cohorts dont speak for the majority".
Wow, you clearly have no actual idea of democracy......they got voted in, ummmmm by the majority.
You are praising the FAB FOUR who are exactly what you criticised, ummmm put in by ?
Yeah no one, so they do not represent the majority.
Ummmm, thats why we have democracy ? Man
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