Mayor’s managed retreat idea divides council

Mayor James Denyer says he doesn't debate by email. Photo: John Borren/SunLive.

A "radical" idea about handling managed retreat has come under fire from Western Bay of Plenty councillors.

A late addition to a government submission about managed retreat was presented at a Western Bay of Plenty District Council Strategy and Policy Committee meeting on Thursday. 

The submission letter, that had already been sent, provided the council’s thoughts on community-led retreat and adaptation funding.

The controversy arose about a suggestion to help fund managed retreat. It proposed converting freehold properties in areas designated to become unliveable in the future into long-term leasehold properties.

The submission letter gave the example of a 99-year lease.

“The Crown would become the owner of the freehold land for a peppercorn rent and the owners would own the leasehold and continue to occupy the property," she submission said.

Councillor Rodney Joyce labelled it a “radical idea” and questioned how it had been put into the submission without being presented to a workshop or councillors first.

Mayor James Denyer said he had raised it with councillors after a different workshop.

The majority of councillors were there and it was “favourably received”, said Denyer.

“Doing submissions like this is always a tricky one with timing.

“It's much better, I agree, to have it in the workshop [but] sometimes that's just not possible.”

Councillor Rodney Joyce said the mayor's idea was "radical". Photo: John Borren/SunLive. 

Joyce asked why the mayor hadn’t emailed the idea to the councillors.

Denyer responded "we don't debate stuff by email”.

Joyce said he understood the time pressure, but this one needed to be “properly considered” before it went into the submission.

“What's here is basically nationalisation of people's land without compensation. Now that's trampling on property rights.

“Who's going to tell the people of Waihī Beach, Maketu, Te Puna and Pukehina that we support a government actually taking their … freehold title off them and replacing it with a leasehold?

“That's actually quite a radical idea and it's one that should not be tossed off lightly.”

Councillor Tracey Coxhead said she had experience in freehold vs leasehold land.

Using “compulsory acquisition” to change the land to leasehold reduced the land value to "pretty much zero”, she said.

Comparing the same freehold and leasehold property, the leasehold would have half the land value of a freehold under normal circumstances, she said.

Councillor Margaret Murray-Benge requested future submissions were emailed to councilors before being finalised. Photo: John Borren/SunLive. 

Councillor Margaret Murray-Benge asked that any future submissions to government were emailed to councillors two days before the final sign off.

This ensured everyone could have their say and finalise the submission with the “confidence of all your councillors”, she said.

Denyer said once submissions were written, there was no facility to incorporate everyone’s comments and there wouldn’t be the time to have it go before a committee.

“That is my role as, as mayor, as leader of this council to make that call. These processes are not always ideal.”

He defended the idea: “Climate change is tough. You can't win all round in this one. Managed retreat is confiscation of land, and it won't be without full compensation.

“This was a way of making it a more equitable outcome with long term certainty. It's also … just an idea, a suggestion to government.”

Councillors Joyce, Coxhead, Murray-Benge, Andy Wichers and Allan Sole voted against it.

Mayor Denyer, councillors Grainger, Don Thwaites, Richard Crawford, Grant Dally voted to accept the submission.

Being an equal vote, Denyer used his casting vote to accept it.

Deputy mayor John Scrimgeour and councillor Anne Henry were absent.

Grainger asked what would have happen if they didn’t accept the submission. Joyce said he would write and request their submission be retracted.

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8 comments

This Mayor needs to be watched.

Posted on 10-11-2023 21:30 | By morepork

His flagrant disregard for a democratic process is not something which should be taken lightly. And his view of his own job (“That is my role as, as mayor, as leader of this council to make that call. These processes are not always ideal.”) is badly flawed. He needs to understand the difference between leadership and dictatorship. Councillor Murray-Benge was once again the voice of reason and made a sensible suggestion. He airily dismissed it. If there isn't always time (as he claimed) to discuss a submission and make sure that ALL Councillors are at least aware of it, and normally have a chance to make their views known, then that is a problem with Time Management. As the Leader he should correct that. I liked that the suggestion was radical, as it is good to see Councils exploring new approaches and ideas. But they should be discussed.


He who lives on a hill

Posted on 11-11-2023 13:27 | By Julie Webster

If Mayor Denyor lived in that zone rather than up a hill in Lund Road, then I guess he would be objecting to this idea too, but he is promoting it. Could it be that it won't affect him?


The Master

Posted on 11-11-2023 18:18 | By Ian Stevenson

Recently the ombudsman noted that there were to many "workshops" and other non-formal / full meetings that were not so democratic, nor were they that open to the public etc. They were generally secret off record meetings intended to be "arranged" rather than open and transparent.

The Ombudsman said that is naughty and Councils need to stop this.


How about democracy ?

Posted on 12-11-2023 11:38 | By an_alias

Its easy and quick to get a democratic response from the people ?
This sounds like back door politics to see what will float.
Weather has always changed but the stupidity of man seem to know NO BOUNDS.


Land Theft

Posted on 12-11-2023 14:21 | By Jules L

This is straight out theft of land, based on totally flawed modelling (it uses an IPCC scenario that even the IPCC says not to use), and which does not even vaguely match reality, to steal people's properties. Real people will be made to pay with their livelihoods for the virtue-signaling fanciful imaginations of the councilors. Those councilors who voted for this should first be made to agree to forfeit their own homes when their crazy predictions don't come true. If they truly believe in what they are saying, then how could they possibly refuse?


This Mayor needs to be watched

Posted on 12-11-2023 16:48 | By Carole Webber

Hi Morepork, do you really know what "the voice of reason means"


@an_alias

Posted on 13-11-2023 11:19 | By morepork

Good to see I am not the only one concerned about the democratic process here. In this day and age, more than ever before, it is easily possible to have referenda and let people vote on controversial issues. I support your comment 100%.


Just remember the names

Posted on 13-11-2023 14:13 | By Ceem

Along with the Mayor just remember the names of the four councillors who voted to accept the submission.


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