Tolley tells Hosking of hopes after election

Tauranga City Council commission chairwoman Anne Tolley. Photo / Alex Cairns.

Tauranga commission chairwoman Anne Tolley reveals she prefers a “hybrid” local governance model as democracy sometimes “fails”.

It comes as the Tauranga City Council prepares for its local body election in July, which will bring the Government-appointed commission’s term to an end.

Anne tells Newstalk ZB host Mike Hosking there could be skill “gaps” in elected councils and the appointment of people to work with councillors in the future could help address this.

The interview follows the Bay of Plenty Times report that Local Government Minister Simeon Brown ruled out making any changes to the commission’s role, despite increased calls from local ratepayer groups to have it demoted to a “caretaker” status.

Five Tauranga ratepayer and advocacy groups called on Simeon to step in and prevent Tauranga City council’s Government-appointed commission from committing ratepayers to what they believed were pricey “non-essential” projects, echoing similar requests in January.

Mike asks Anne whether she fells the “angst” and whether there had been much “agitation”.

“Well, there’s angst of different sorts,” Anne says.

“There’s angst in the community that the elections are coming up, the city’s on the move and we’re going to go backwards because all of the old guard are preparing themselves to be reelected, so there’s various angst but the city’s in good heart. There’s a lot of reconstruction happening and things are moving and, I think you know, people are feeling pretty good.”

Mike refers to the previous council, giving his view that, from the outside, it seemed was “dysfunctional” and “a mess”.

He says it appears the city has “moved forward” because the commission “just got on with it”.

Anne agrees, saying “that was our job”.

The commission – made up of Tolley, Shadrach Rolleston, Stephen Selwood, and Bill Wasley – was appointed to govern Tauranga City Council in February 2021 after former Local Government Minister Nanaia Mahuta discharged the elected council of its duties in December 2020.

The commission’s term was later extended until July 2024 to provide stability and deliver complex projects - preventing the city’s participation in the 2022 local body elections.

On July 20, Tauranga voters will have their first chance to elect representatives to their city council since 2019, and that group will serve New Zealand’s first four-year council term.

In February, the Bay of Plenty Times revealed the commission had called for a Crown observer to be appointed to the city council after the election, but was denied by then-Local Government Minister Kieran McAnulty.

Anne tells Mike she believes in democracy but, at times, it fails.

Newstalk ZB host Mike Hosking. Photo / Michael Craig.

Mike says the commission “appears to have worked” and questions how Tauranga could bring that kind of governance model into effect again “without killing democracy.

“I think, personally, I quite like a hybrid model where you have some elected and then you are able to appoint some skilled people.

“You know, you assess who’s been elected and what gaps there are … It can be a big job in a city, in a metro city.”

Tauranga has a population of 162,000 and is growing rapidly.

“It’s a big complex beast for council and, so, you know, it takes special sort of people to be able to run it,” Anne says.

Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. Photo / Michael Craig.

Anne says the council or local government minister could potentially make such decisions.

She also says she is delighted the new council will have four years before the next elections, instead of the standard three.

Mike says there appears, outwardly at least, there are a lot of councils around New Zealand that are “fairly dysfunctional”.

Anne agrees.

“Sometimes they are.

Tauranga City commissioners: L-R Shadrach Rolleston, Bill Wasley, Stephen Selwood, Anne Tolley. Photos / File.

“There’s a lot more than just the dysfunction of councils and the whole process around consultation can be hijacked by small groups of people who don’t want things to happen.

“Most people who make submissions you know, formal submissions to council, are generally people who don’t want something to happen and so you end up playing a numbers game.

“Many, many councils and councillors when they are consulting make an effort to get out and talk to a whole range of people.

“We’ve done that as commissions because if you just rely on the submission process, you end up with more negative than positive, and that’s not really where your community is.”

Nominations for Tauranga’s election open on April 26. The election will be held on July 20.

Kiri Gillespie is an assistant news director and a senior journalist for the Bay of Plenty Times and Rotorua Daily Post, specialising in local politics and city issues. She was a finalist for the Voyager Media Awards Regional Journalist of the Year in 2021.

- Kiri Gillespie, Bay of Plenty Times

16 comments

Hmmm

Posted on 09-04-2024 12:05 | By Let's get real

It's just far too easy to justify your decisions if you state openly that official submissions are too negative.
What you're saying is that "we have spoken to groups that will benefit from our largesse and they all support the intentions. So those are the true wishes of the community ".
Other than architects, developers and council seat warmers, who thought that we should house the council offices in an eco-building...?
I would suggest that if the voice of the community, through referenda, was adhered to there would be a lot more buy-in from the community.
I don't care if I'm outvoted.... Guess what...? That's how democracy works.
When you think of the brightest stars in parliament over many decades, does our commissioner make the list...?
The idea of having has-been politicians overseeing council chambers around the country is repugnant. And I'm not sure that's strong enough.


When technocrats fall in popularity …

Posted on 09-04-2024 12:20 | By A. Lincoln

… they often seek to justify their continued control through superior knowledge and experience. However, in their 2021 appointment report, the Department of Internal Affairs alerted Nanaia Mahuta that her choice of commissioners collectively had little to no financial management experience. Council's own 2024 residents’ survey shows a bleak picture under commission rule. Just 16% satisfied with their financial management, only 22% are satisfied with their leadership, and just 21% find the council trustworthy. Source: Council’s Strategy, Finance and Risk Committee meeting, 25 March 2024


Explain this then?

Posted on 09-04-2024 12:24 | By Jules L

Yet again the commission is desperately trying to prevent democracy from returning to Tauranga, by trying to appoint people to hold the hands of new councilors and stop them from being able to do their elected job. Tolley states in the above interview how both elected councilors and the general public are all just too darned stupid to make decisions for themselves. The condescension is just dripping out. Perhaps instead of insulting and abusing everybody else, the commission could explain to us why the city has gone rapidly downhill under their watch? Many shops were permanently closed because of their Cameron Road boondoggle, which has decreased the capacity of the road, and yet more shops are closing daily in the CBD. If the commission is so great, as they themselves will happily tell you, then why has the city fallen apart under their watch?


Socialist at Heart

Posted on 09-04-2024 12:52 | By Ziggaty

Just imagine if they tried putting commissioners in Wellington or Auckland or even kicking Labour out of government and installing them. There would be outrage. Why there wasn't in Tauranga baffles me and most probably these undemocratic people that no one voted for.

No democracy is ever perfect but at least we can vote out who is in power. Tolley needs to take a good look at herself. To say she is what Tauranga needs she should explain why she never turned up to public meetings.


Unbelievable!

Posted on 09-04-2024 13:13 | By morepork

“It’s a big complex beast for council and, so, you know, it takes special sort of people to be able to run it,” - "special people" like the Court of Queen Anne: hangers on, vested interests, and the "right class" of people at the dinner table. The idea of the Hoi Polloi getting to make decisions about the City they live in and how their money should be spent, is anathema for Tolley. The only "angst" she is feeling is the angst brought on by pending dismissal and the removal of her expenses credit card (around $35,000) and $1800 a day of OPM. It is outrageous to see an unelected politician, actively undermining the democratic process by suggesting that letting "ordinary" people vote, for "ordinary" candidates, will not get the skills that are required. If special skills are needed for special cases, you don't need to APPOINT people permanently.


The ghost of Nanaia Mahuta

Posted on 09-04-2024 13:30 | By morepork

I've had many discussions with many people who can't understand why I'm so upset about an unanswerable Commission being appointed to "rule" Tauranga. ("She'll be right, Mate...") It comes down to either Democracy or Tikanga. Mahuta was firmly on the side of Tikanga and showed it with nepotism and cronyism. Anne Tolley came from that crucible and has recently showed publicly her support for her patron's principles. Tikanga is traditional Maori governance and uses the principle of Rangatiratanga to give absolute power to the Chief (dissent was not a consideration...). Democracy means the majority rule (with due consideration for minority views) and the right to free speech and dissent. Neither system is perfect... (Tikanga worked well for 19th century iwi; Democracy for many countries in the Western world (including NZ), but facing increasing pressure at the moment from a rising tide of Autocracy and Dictatorship.) Discard Tolley's "Hybrid" plan.


Democracy fails?

Posted on 09-04-2024 13:53 | By The Sage

Unfortunate phrase by Anne Tolley. This has become like a Police state. Why we got into this predicament is because of the former Mayor Tenby Powell’s bullying tactics. It was Powell who urged his connections in Wellington to urge Mahuta into appointing commissioner. This was after his plans were voted out. Tolley said at a Mt Maunganui Rate payers meeting in 2021 that the Commissioners would not be there beyond 2022, yet here we all are stuck in the same place like Groundhog Day. It would be hard to walk away from such a lucrative position.


At you, Anne

Posted on 09-04-2024 14:23 | By nerak

"democracy sometimes “fails" Well of course it will, if it's not practiced correctly.
Angst, is angst Anne. Look it up! And the angst in this weary city is largely caused by ratepayers not being listened to, not having a say, or a chance of meaningful input.
How dare you assume we do not have the intelligence to vote for people we believe will be eminently suitable, and that 'the old guard' will be on very few voters radar.
We don't need a Crown observer in the form of.. you!
"...get out and talk to a whole range of people. “We’ve done that as commissioners..." you may have done, but did you listen??? We realise you listened far too much too council staff with barrows to push.
Anne, don't get your hopes up, there are way too many who can't wait to see you go,actuallytodaywouldbegood.


Democracy

Posted on 09-04-2024 17:10 | By Angels

We are a democratic country. When these rich appointed people were put in place it was revenge by labor to pay back the blue electorate of our area. They have been out of control spenders. They have destroyed our roading, don’t listen to the electorate. They spend like drunken sailors as have no accountability. Mauhuta destroyed our city with all this craziness. Mauhuta needs to be held accountable if not even jailed for this.


Here They Come....

Posted on 10-04-2024 00:22 | By Inmediasres

And.... here come the posts from old boomers saying what a horrible job the commissioners have done and how they've ruined the city, blah blah blah....


Hmmmm

Posted on 10-04-2024 08:04 | By Yadick

I'd say someone's trying to extend their fattened pay cheque . . .
We NEED and MUST HAVE new blood in TCC. The old boys club that began the destruction of Tauranga can take a flying hike. WE DON'T WANT YOU. Any of you. The same message to the Commorons. Labor has gone (leaving a trail of destruction), and their appointed should have gone with them).
This is a very scary but pivotal time for Tauranga. It'll be make or break. We all NEED to play our part and if you don't vote you have NO right to complain BUT we need to and must know more about the candidates standing than their cherry little blurb to pretty themselves up.
If you're new, professional blood considering this, please, please step up.


Hit the Nail Tolls

Posted on 10-04-2024 08:37 | By an_alias

Democracy has failed and you have not stood for election. That is an absolute failure, it seems you have no idea what the word actually means.
"Oh yes, we need Democracy, but its better if I dictate what happens". Wow in one short interview you represent everything that is wrong with politicians that have no clue.
How much money have you gained from this Dictator position should be what has asked.
How we are at 285% DEBT levels plus a LEVY under your rule.


@Inmediasres

Posted on 10-04-2024 12:51 | By morepork

You disagree they did a terrible job and have ruined the city, then? You think that criticism is only coming from disgruntled Boomers and closet Fascists?
" Just 16% satisfied with their financial management, only 22% are satisfied with their leadership, and just 21% find the council trustworthy. Source: Council’s Strategy, Finance and Risk Committee meeting, 25 March 2024" (thanks to A. Lincoln for your post in this thread, and these statistics).

Inmediasres, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is biased and uninformed. But so is the rest of the community, and the statistics above show it is NOT just Boomers who are unhappy. It isn't just blah, blah, blah... there are serious issues that cannot be so easily dismissed.


@morepork

Posted on 10-04-2024 20:36 | By nerak

Ignore the shill! In medias res - Latin, refers to a narrative work, the beginning that begins in the middle of the plot, right in the middle of the thing.
What are the disadvantages of in medias res?
Cons of writing in medias res:
Potentially confusing/off-putting
Forrest Gump is an Oscar-winning film that starts off its opening scene using In Medias Res.
No wonder this poster is on the wrong side of things, must be frustrating to live with a moniker like that :)


@ morepork

Posted on 10-04-2024 20:58 | By Yadick

Excellent reply to Inmediasres. It's interesting he says "here comes the posts from the old boomers" yet he too, posts here.
You are right in stating there are very serious issues that cannot be dismissed.
@ Inmediasres, it takes everyone to build a community. Your opinion counts in our community, as does moreporks, mine, an_alias, neraks Angel's. There's some very good, interesting and thought provoking comments that come thru here. Be more open minded (but not so open minded that your brain falls out) :-)
Keep posting. Sometimes you'll get kicked, sometimes you'll get thanked but your opinion on the topic is yours and you're entitled to express it . . . just like everyone in our community.


Response to Yadick's @morepork.

Posted on 11-04-2024 14:20 | By morepork

I agree with you that this forum is a lively one and expresses different opinions. SunLive are doing a great job for the community by making it available. Dissent and disagreement are essential aspects of Free Speech. Without Free Speech (and Free Thought) there can be no Democracy. If I only want agreement; I'll argue with a mirror. I try very hard not to use dishonest rhetorical devices here (like ad hominem attacks... even when I receive such), but sometimes the temptation is strong and I am scathing in my references to the Commissioner because I am heartsick over what has happened to our city, and I see her as being responsible. (Besides, she can shake off my criticisms and laugh all the way to the Bank :-)) I post here because I care, and because it is important that the Administration gets called publicly.


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