Contentious community hall clash

Tauranga Moana kaumatua Buddy Mikaere.

In a move that is igniting debate, the Mount Maunganui Community Hall committee has come under criticism after granting permission for what may be a highly contentious series of meetings to be held within their premises over the next three days.

'We're not taking sides, we're just a venue,” says Mount Community Hall and Mount Maunganui Senior Citizens Association president Nick Horton.

Controversial anti co-governance advocate Julian Batchelor, who has been taking his roadshow across the country, has been consistently met with protests, like in Levin, when a meeting was canned after clashes with protesters, who accused organisers of only excluding Māori.

The decision by the hall committee, which has disappointed some of the local community and raised concerns about the potential repercussions of hosting such a polarising event, is also reigniting long-standing concerns regarding the boundaries of free speech, civic responsibility, and the role of public spaces in fostering healthy dialogue.

Tauranga Moana kaumatua Buddy Mikaere says he is very disappointed at the decision by the Mount Maunganui Community Hall committee to allow their premises to be used by Julian, for three meetings from Friday, July 7, to Sunday, July 9.

Buddy has whakapapa links to all the Tauranga iwi but identifies most closely with Ngati Pukenga and the Ngai Tamarawaho hapu of Ngati Ranginui.

'Firstly, I disagree with the whole premise of these meetings; which is that through a so-called Maori elite, co-governance will allow Maori to take over the running of the country and for that reason it needs to be stopped,” says Buddy.

'My view is that while I accept that a better term than co-governance could have been found, like co-management for example, co-governance as I see it is simply putting into effect the principle of partnership as envisaged by the Treaty of Waitangi.”

Buddy says probably the best example of co-governance already in effect is found in the Local Government Act.

'Where Parts 2 and 6 [of the Act] require councils to establish and maintain opportunities for Māori to contribute to decision-making processes, consider ways in which they can foster the development of Māori capacity to contribute to decision-making processes, and provide relevant information to Māori. Important decisions about land or water bodies must take into account the relationship of Māori and their culture and traditions.”

Buddy says here, in the Bay of Plenty our local bodies have to a certain extent, led the way.

'Bay of Plenty Regional Council for example was among the first in the country to establish Maori wards; and one of the last sensible decisions of the last Tauranga City Council was to provide for a Maori ward at the next local body elections.”

'Some people say this is just the exercise of free speech. Well, just substitute the word Jew for Maori in the anti-Co-governance diatribe and see where that gets you. Yes there is free speech, but it comes with responsibilities and consequences.

'Why I am upset by the Mount Community Hall Committee decision is that going on other Julian Bachelor meetings – a recent one in Blenheim for example - Maori with opposing views will be denied entry to these so-called 'public meetings”,” says Buddy.

A Havelock North meeting was cancelled after the venue said "no amount of security could control the level of noise or protest activity expected".

'So, what we have is a community facility designed for community activities, allowing use of its premises for an event that denies entry to members of that community based solely on race,” says Buddy.

'How can that possibly fit within their constitution or whatever it is that they operate under?

'As someone brought up in Mount Maunganui – and who has former school mates on that committee, I am embarrassed and ashamed. This does not reflect the Mount Maunganui community that I grew up in”.

Hall committee president Nick Horton says ultimately it's not the job of the committee to censure who says what.

'The official line from the Mount Community Hall committee is that we are completely and utterly political neutral.

'We're aware that the gentleman that has hired the hall for the weekend is discussing a highly controversial topic.

'Our community hall is open to anyone who wants to hire it as long as the activities are not illegal or pose any danger to life or property. '

Nick says he has been told there may be a protest mounted on Friday.

Protesters outside the Stop Co-Governance tour run by Julian Batchelor in Nelson. Photo: Stuff / Braden Fastier.

'We have already been contacted by a member of the public who is organising a counter protest and have had open dialogue with him and been assured that the counter protest will be peaceful and respectful.”

Nick says they have informed police of the meeting.

'Although some have called for this meeting to be closed down, we wouldn't close down the meeting for the other side of the debate just as we wouldn't for this side of the debate as we are politically neutral.”

A previous Stop Co-Governance roadshow meeting was held at a secret location in Tauranga in April following an initial booking of a council-owned venue. At the time Tauranga City Council corporate services general manager Alastair McNeil said the council had received emails from people voicing their disappointment and concerns about safety.

'The beliefs expressed by the Stop Co-governance campaign do not align with the community outcomes we are seeking to achieve and suspect the general anti co-governance rhetoric is offensive to many in our community,” says Alastair.

A petition against the tour, started by Kaipara councillor Ihapera Paniora has more than 7000 signatures, alleging that Batchelor's tour is inciting racial disharmony as defined by sections 61 and 131 of the Human Rights Act 1993.

Advocacy organisation, Aotearoa Liberation Group, run by Pere and Samah Huriwai-Seger, has encouraged peaceful protests at previous meetings, saying the tour is a 'thinly veiled vehicle to spread racist propaganda”.

Local Democracy reporting have reported that the Human Rights Commission has received complaints about the tour.

Back at Mount Maunganui, Nick says he is a freedom of speech advocate.

'And as much as I don't like what he's saying I defend his right to say it.

'If we were to cancel every meeting that had a contentious issue then everybody loses because no-one gets to have any respectful debate and no one can make any informed decisions.”

'If you don't like it then don't come,” says a Mount Maunganui Community Hall committee member.

Buddy says that if the meeting goes ahead, he and 'many other like-minded citizens” will be there to make sure Julian knows that he and his views are not welcome.

'We put a stop to the Hobson's Pledge nonsense when it raised its ugly little head here in Tauranga and we will do the same with this nonsense.”

16 comments

Myth of Maori Crown “Partnership”

Posted on 07-07-2023 09:29 | By Chris Lee

Finally we have someone prepared to directly challenge the idea that Maori are in partnership with the Crown. Race-based representation will be disastrous for New Zealand in years to come.


There you have it….

Posted on 07-07-2023 09:38 | By Shadow1

Anyone can talk about co-governance as long as they are for it. Buddy needs to look at his own comments and statements which don’t quite tell the whole story. Keep the meetings coming Julian. Shadow1


Listen

Posted on 07-07-2023 10:23 | By usandthem

These protesters would be better off by actually listening to what this guy has to say as everything he says is backed up by fact.He has had many Maori attend his meetings,most agreeing with what he says.The only ones refused entry are those that will not sit and listen what he has to say until after the meeting,nothing to do with race.To say he is promoting racism is total rubbish.He is actually fighting for the average Maori,as well as all the different races in NZ,unfortunately many can't see that and accuse him of being racist,which he totally denies.


Excellent response by Nick Horton

Posted on 07-07-2023 11:05 | By Bruja

He is absolutely spot on. When people try to 'shut down' free speech?....all that does is make me angry and makes me want to hear what the 'shut down' person has to say. It's a democratic community we live in. Those who want to hear what someone, anyone, has to say have the right to hear that person. Those who don't want to are not forced to. They can peacefully protest, that is their right. Brian, I am sure, is nodding and applauding.


Can't say more....

Posted on 07-07-2023 12:20 | By The Professor

Can't really add to what Bruja, Usandthem, Shadow1 and Chris Lee have posted. Agree with all those comments - well said everyone!!


“Oh Really?”

Posted on 07-07-2023 12:29 | By Mommatum

Ok “us and them” answer me this? If these meetings aren’t racist why was my daughter prevented from entering April’s meeting? She had registered, arrived alone quietly spoken and well dressed. She was not there to protest but to be a “good Maori” and listen. However she was met at the door by two aggressive white males who refused her entry even though she could name the person she registered with. They were damn lucky I wasn’t there and that’s almost decided me that I might just go to one of the weekend meetings just to see. Oh and I promise to be a “good Maori” even though I consider that term insulting and obnoxious.


Overit

Posted on 07-07-2023 12:54 | By overit

It's funny how Govt. Officials toured the country speaking to Maori about 3 Waters privately.


Bottom Line.

Posted on 07-07-2023 13:57 | By morepork

1. The Community Hall has no dog in this fight. 2. Many people are concerned about co-governance (not just non-Maori) and want to hear Julian's case. 3. NOBODY should be barred from the meeting, provided their intention is not to simply disrupt it. 4. I support Buddy generally, but disagree there is provision for "partnership" in the Treaty. "We are one people" (of many cultures (160) and ethnicities, all of which must be respected and equal before the Law.) The partnership spin was added in the 1970s and is NOT part of the Treaty itself. 5. Democracy requires Free Speech and the right to be heard. I may not like what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it. PCWokeism has suppressed any discussion on what's happening, labelling it Racist. That's not an argument. And it's time it stopped.


@mommatum

Posted on 07-07-2023 14:10 | By morepork

I share your disdain for "good Maori" and would challenge that if I heard it. You have a right as a PERSON (colour has nothing to do with it) to have thoughts and voice them, just like anyone else in a free society. I was quite shocked to hear about your daughter's experience and it seems there was over-zealous extremism on the door. I can understand them being nervous about disruption, but it is really no excuse. I know from your past posts that you are a sensible and valuable member of the community. In the current charged atmosphere, people will overreact. We can only hope that in time the last vestiges of Racism (on both sides) will be nullified, and it will be possible to discuss and consider different viewpoints and issues, and move forward with justice for all. It doesn't happen by suppressing views that are disagreeable.


Hmmm

Posted on 07-07-2023 15:06 | By Let's get real

I have never had an issue with race, creed or colour when it comes to having a seat in Parliament or Council chambers. The only thing that I have any problems with is when someone comes in through the backdoor just because they meet a criteria based solely on racial identity. All candidates should be there to represent the country (well over 50 ethnicities) and should have management skills to bring to the table, that's what we should expect from someone elected to MANAGE the business of Tauranga. If we were lucky enough to have a chief executive of an international corporation in Tauranga, wouldn't it be a hugely beneficial opportunity to have them working for EVERYONE in planning and executing plans for the future of the city, or are we still going to accept seatwarmers. Stand in a GENERAL election. Don't hide behind racial identity.


Freedom of Speech

Posted on 08-07-2023 10:24 | By Bruja

Just ponder for a moment, Mr Mikaere and more recently, Mr Waititi, freedom of speech. Try thinking about our right (all of us here in this country) to free speech. Ask those in North Korea (for example) what they think about the closing down of free speech. Perhaps you could consider treating these meetings with respect just as the organiser would treat visiting your marae with respect.


@Bruja

Posted on 09-07-2023 13:56 | By morepork

A well-stated post. (I understood there to be 160 ethnicities, as I mentioned in my post here. This is based on 2018 census data.) Freedom of Speech is NOT part of the concept of Tikanga, which certain parties are trying to replace our Democracy with. For example, women can't speak on the marae, and Rangatiratanga (the Chief's right to rule) is absolute, with no dissent being brooked. Modern Kiwis won't stand for having no say, so the only way to shut them up is to claim that what they are saying is offensive and Racist. This is just a rhetorical device that only works if we allow it to. Sometimes in Life, you won't like what you hear and you may be offended by it. That's your choice. But the Nanny state determines to "protect" you, so it tries to make giving offense illegal. Result=PCWokeism.


Fabulous to see!

Posted on 10-07-2023 10:46 | By Bruja

The biggest winner over the weekend was Freedom of Speech. Now THAT is something to celebrate for sure! Those who listened will have come away either agreeing or disagreeing and that is what matters. They will have come to their OWN conclusions rather than the current 'being told' what we MUST think/feel/do. What opinions we are 'allowed' to have and what are not allowed. Freedom it's called.


Anyone else?

Posted on 10-07-2023 13:16 | By morepork

Thanks to Bruja for posting his experience. I'm glad the principles of Democracy were followed. I had hoped to get along myself but, in the end, I wasn't able to. I'd be very interested to hear any Maori viewpoints on the points presented in the meeting, (apart from "suppress the meeting and kill them all" :-))


Oh and Morepork?

Posted on 10-07-2023 17:22 | By Bruja

I'm a she not a he. *grins*


@Bruja.

Posted on 13-07-2023 12:11 | By morepork

Your gender (very touchy subject these days... :-)) has been duly noted and I'm sorry for using the wrong pronoun. It is good to see someone who can state their gender with confidence... :-)


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